Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
    
Caracas Venezuela
 | | 04/04/2006 11:05 PM |
| | Hello friends... i know this might sound Noob... but what means TIER 1??? and those? | |
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muselindeman
Sneak
133 Posts
USA
| | 04/04/2006 11:17 PM |
| Tier 1 = very good, tournement worthy, can and will win in the current environment more often than not.
Tier 2 = May be a fun or 'Theme" band (all dwarfs for example.) May do well against some bands, may be fun to play, but probably would not win a tourneyment, unless you were very lucky, or no one there knew what they were doing. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 6:27 AM |
| Tier 1: Strong synergetic band, with no overall weaknesses. Fully capable of taking a tournement.
Tier 1.5: A tier 1 band in terms of composition or power, but with a severely bad matchup, or several less than favourable ones.
Tier 2: A strong Warband, but with concept issues, flaws, or just an inherent weakness. Can win a Tournament in the right hands.
Tier 3: Theme, cobbled together, and fun warbands. Can make a strong showing if played well, but unlikely. | |
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Aramiris
Skirmisher
8 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 6:31 AM |
| | Are they official term like MTG's type 1? Or just player rated? | |
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XAos
Underboss
2403 Posts
London
| | 04/05/2006 6:57 AM |
| Just player defined.ΖD]
But that categorization is usefull in deciding which warband to play in a tournament.
And also in selecting tactics against the opponents warband.
e.g. If you remember that your opponents warband is Tier-2. Even if you don't remember exactly why it's tier-2. Then you know it's worth checking the figures to see if your warband can exploit the weakness it does have.
Also if a strong player, uses an "obvious" Tier-3 warband in a major tournament. You can get paranoid trying to guess what their "trick" is.[:o)] | |
Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 04/05/2006 8:27 AM |
| | Tier is the same than vintage or type 1 in magic the gathering. The best of the best,indeed.... | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 8:35 AM |
| | If it helps, "tier" means "step" or "level," when there are multiple steps or levels. (So a Tier One warband is on the first -- top -- level.) To use a couple of more mundane example from English, a wedding cake has tiers, and the seats in an arena or stadium are usually arranged in tiers. | |
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XAos
Underboss
2403 Posts
London
| | 04/05/2006 8:39 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by iluvxtina
Tier is the same than vintage or type 1 in magic the gathering. The best of the best,indeed....
I don't recall the MTG metagame every having a use for the ddm distinction between Tier-1 & Tier-2. i.e. Tier-2 in MTG just means a "weaker" deck. Not a specific type of weakness.
Indeed I don't think MTG ever had a deck which wasn't Tier-2 by ddm semantics... | |
Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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rhane
Underboss
1412 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 9:37 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gloom_
Tier 1: Strong synergetic band, with no overall weaknesses. Fully capable of taking a tournement.
Tier 1.5: A tier 1 band in terms of composition or power, but with a severely bad matchup, or several less than favourable ones.
Tier 2: A strong Warband, but with concept issues, flaws, or just an inherent weakness. Can win a Tournament in the right hands.
Tier 3: Theme, cobbled together, and fun warbands. Can make a strong showing if played well, but unlikely.
I really like these definitions. Well done. | |
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lalato
Underboss
1546 Posts
Urbana, IL
| | 04/05/2006 10:09 AM |
| Luisjoey... I'm not one hundred percent positive (pretty sad for someone for whom Spanish was a first language), but I think tier translates to nivel (level) or possibly piso (floor).
If you think of Tier 1 as a group of warbands that are the best of the best. These bands are at the top level. They're in the penthouse having a pool party. ;)
One floor below them are warbands that are good (Tier 2), but they didn't get an invitation to the pool party because there is at least one Tier 1 warband that is a bad matchup in a tournament.
One floor below them (Tier 3) are warbands that are probably fun, but have serious weaknesses against Tier 1 warbands.
Sometimes you will hear about Tier 1.5. This is for warbands that don't have any very bad matchups vs. Tier 1, but do not have any good matchups either. They're almost good enough, but not quite. They live in the crawl space between Tier 1 and Tier 2.
Tiers not only describe warbands, but they have also been used to describe players. Tier 1 players are the best. Tier 2 are OK, but not great. Tier 3 are new or just bad. Personally, I like my patent pending classifications: Contender, Pretender and Dead Ender. ;)
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 04/05/2006 4:11 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XAos
quote:
Originally posted by iluvxtina
Tier is the same than vintage or type 1 in magic the gathering. The best of the best,indeed....
I don't recall the MTG metagame every having a use for the ddm distinction between Tier-1 & Tier-2. i.e. Tier-2 in MTG just means a "weaker" deck. Not a specific type of weakness.
Indeed I don't think MTG ever had a deck which wasn't Tier-2 by ddm semantics...
The tier rating I used for D&D is pretty much directly the MTG format of about 2 years ago (when I was playing more). Tiers 1-3, with the insertion of 1.5 for the nearly-tier-1 warbands (like Dual bears was in my mind the best example of 1.5 in DDM for a while [not now]) | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 04/06/2006 9:26 AM |
| Oh thanks to you all guys!
It was a useful help.
There is a tier list for miniatures ???
or is personal and subjetive? | |
Knight of the Quori
Champion of King Kaius III of Karrnath
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XAos
Underboss
2403 Posts
London
| | 04/06/2006 9:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Luisjoey
There is a tier list for miniatures ???
or is personal and subjetive?
see;
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17183
But all such lists are based on a combination of Maths & subjective experience.
Particulary just after a new set comes out, it is possible for a single player (e.g. You) to spot a new tier-1 figure that no one else has yet recognised. Either because of a new combo of abilities, or because of a new tactic for making it effective.
I think Kiddoc won gencon-2004 not because he spotted the Drider was a strong-tech figure (everyone saw that) But because he spotted it was an exceptional combo with the Ogre-Ravager. Prior to that point the Ogre-Ravager had been effectivly Tier-3 because of it's slow (speed:6).
i.e. you can play a tier-1 warband by selecting a warband from a published list of strong figures.
But if you want to win a major tournament, you probably need to go beyond that and find a combo that no one as yet has heard off. Or has an answer to.
And then work out tactics which maximise the advantages of that combo. | |
Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 04/07/2006 12:09 AM |
| | thanks to you my friend! very handy information! | |
Knight of the Quori
Champion of King Kaius III of Karrnath
Purple Knight of Venezuela
Venezuelan Site For D&D minis Calabozo Criollo Venezuela
Venezuelan Site for SW minis VeneMinis.com | |
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