BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
    
Fort Mill, SC
 | | 04/14/2006 2:47 AM |
| Maybe this thread has been done before, but I haven't seen it. So....
Which mini do you think is the most underrated and why? | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 7:05 AM |
| Hmm.... I would have to say
Longstrider Ranger
He's very nasty, with the ponential for 20 damage a turn, fantastic speed, a great flanker, pretty good AC for CG, and Death Strike. | |
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LeClaire
Warrior
225 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 10:24 AM |
| | ::waits for Pegasus Knight to say "Celestial Pegasus" :: | |
It is I, LeClaire!
So we have to champion something? Alright, I pick the mighty Flumph! | |
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 10:42 AM |
| I'm going with the Champion of Eilistraee on this one for the following reasons:
-Excellent Commander Effect (+2 atk., +2 AC to followers with swords)
-Fantastic AC for a CG piece (22)
-Decent melee combatant with 2 attacks at +13/+8 for 15 magic damage.
-Finally has some decent drow figures to bring in with her Warband Building ability, such as the Mounted Drow Patrol, Drow Arcane Guard, and Lolth's Sting. | |
Champion of the Elf Duskblade | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 11:32 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyFive
I'm going with the Champion of Eilistraee on this one for the following reasons:
-Excellent Commander Effect (+2 atk., +2 AC to followers with swords)
-Fantastic AC for a CG piece (22)
-Decent melee combatant with 2 attacks at +13/+8 for 15 magic damage.
-Finally has some decent drow figures to bring in with her Warband Building ability, such as the Mounted Drow Patrol, Drow Arcane Guard, and Lolth's Sting.
Really?! I haven't checked, is the DMP and the Arcane Guard list a sword on the RPG side? Imight need to take a look at that...
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 11:35 AM |
| Err... nevermind... I was thinking that the Warband building required the sword as well...
Now I WILL take a look at this...
Pat E | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 11:50 AM |
| Underrated mini, eh? I'd have to go with the Centaur Hero: Sure, if he's based, you're pretty much screwed, but on the right map (*cough*tombofqueenperegrin*cough*) the Centaur Hero can be deadly.
Of course, if you end up on the wrong map... | |
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Zozo
Warrior
218 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 11:53 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by LeClaire
::waits for Pegasus Knight to say "Celestial Pegasus" ::
HA HA HA!!!! [:D] He's either going to say that or Brass Samurai. I'm going to put my money on Brass Samurai, just because of him ranting about it last time we played together. That and his FAQ he wrote on it. No offense Pegasus Knight. [:P]As for me I think the Inspired Lieutenant is underrated, and looking at the forums from a while back, I don't seem to be the only one that feels this way. | |
Champion of the Ixitxachitl | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 04/14/2006 12:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyFive
I'm going with the Champion of Eilistraee on this one for the following reasons:
-Excellent Commander Effect (+2 atk., +2 AC to followers with swords)
-Fantastic AC for a CG piece (22)
-Decent melee combatant with 2 attacks at +13/+8 for 15 magic damage.
-Finally has some decent drow figures to bring in with her Warband Building ability, such as the Mounted Drow Patrol, Drow Arcane Guard, and Lolth's Sting.
I have to agree, the Champion of Eilistraee is under-rated and a lot of fun. [:)] | | | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/14/2006 12:36 PM |
| OK - got some replies up, so now it is my turn.
Aasimar Favored Soul
I don't see this guy used in many warbands, but he offers a lot for the point cost. 2-to-1 cost to hp ratio, Illuminator, good resists, decent save, bless, and magic weapon. CLW probably isn't worth the activation - only *very* conditionally. Sound Burst could prove extremely useful in certain situations (gets rid of clustered Orc Warrior fodder quite nicely.) Finally, the melee damage sucks, but the to-hit isn't god awful, so with a half-orc paladin he could be used in melee in a pinch. | |
Champion of the Cleric with Raise Dead | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
412 Posts
Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
| | 04/14/2006 12:48 PM |
| WARFORGED HERO
I think he got SCREWED w/ 10 magic damage, but with the Half-Orc Paladin as a commander (or the Cleric of St. Cuthbert...) he could get 2 reliable attacks for 15 magic damage. That and he Powerful Charges for +5 through difficult Terrain - Stable Footing is nice! With AC 22, DR 5, Living Construct immunities and 80HP, he's an absolute tank. All this for 36 points - Gotta love that. Drawback - he's kinda slow, but what in LG isn't? | |
Champion of all things Athasian
"Don't sing it - Bring it!" | |
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Chairman7w
Sergeant
484 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 12:59 PM |
| The Wand Expert.
The Blurs alone can win a game for you and it's fun to sit back behind enemy lines and just plink away. I've done more than 75 damage with him on several occassions. All this for 33 pts. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 1:48 PM |
| Moon Elf Fighter:
With newer titans coming out pretty quickly, I think she'll shine once again. She's durable, fast, can hit some herself, has Commander 5, and can allow you to absolutely UN-LOAD on an opposing titan to take it out of the equasion to begin a round. | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 1:55 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by LeClaire
::waits for Pegasus Knight to say "Celestial Pegasus" ::
It isnt underrated, but solid tier 1 material. I mean it even made the core toolkit. | |
Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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Pegasus Knight
Sergeant
896 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 4:23 PM |
| Nah; it's not the Pegasus or the Sam Rye. The Celestial Pegasus clearly isn't underrated; it's in the Core Toolkit. So clearly our top 'think-tank' folks think it's a good piece and I strongly agree. The Brass Samurai isn't underrated either. It's only slightly overcosted, perhaps 3 points at most. But 'Underrated?' It's already Toolkit, and a lot of people acknowledge its power already. Neither of these are underrated.
My actual answer to this question would be: Wood Woad. For 15 points you get a 4:1 HP to Cost ratio, and its melee attacks are decent. Not great, but decent. Combined with it being Level 8, AC 17, and Plant immunities, it makes a great blocker. You wait and see; when CG gets more worthwhile archers, this piece will come into style with a vengeance. But it's currently underrated. | |
- Irrationally Fanatical Champion of Pegasus-mounted cavalry
- Proud member of Team Low Tier Beasting: I play CG as my main faction!
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 4:32 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Err... nevermind... I was thinking that the Warband building required the sword as well...
Now I WILL take a look at this...
Pat E
Glad I could help (as if you needed any[:D]). | |
Champion of the Elf Duskblade | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 5:06 PM |
| | The mighty choker. | |
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Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7675 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 04/14/2006 5:17 PM |
| Dwarf Artificer.
I think it gets overlooked a lot, but with more and more constructs becoming tournament pieces, it will make a showing. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 5:58 PM |
| Gulgar of course! [:D]
R~ | |
Champion of the Titan
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 6:54 PM |
| The greatest 5-point fodder ever created...
The Lemure!
Both the Helmed Horror and Chraal need to full attack that thing to kill it!!!! How crazy is that? | |
Champion of Neogi
Completed Trades/Transactions: sttmxn, Krush, jgsugden, Ayrychx2, Venport, Tysac
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 7:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Feathers
The greatest 5-point fodder ever created...
The Lemure!
Both the Helmed Horror and Chraal need to full attack that thing to kill it!!!! How crazy is that?
Yeah, because it is TOTALLY MAKING that out of command +2 morale check! ;) | |
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Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
11768 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 04/14/2006 7:06 PM |
| | I like the Fiendish T-Rex. It's not as strong as some of the more obvious huge mini choices, but when combined with the GFD, it's not bad. | |
Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 7:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
quote:
Originally posted by Feathers
The greatest 5-point fodder ever created...
The Lemure!
Both the Helmed Horror and Chraal need to full attack that thing to kill it!!!! How crazy is that?
Yeah, because it is TOTALLY MAKING that out of command +2 morale check! ;)
Oh man, you are so gonna regret making that comment:
FEARLESS! Haha! PWNT! [Insert obligatory smiley here] | |
Champion of Neogi
Completed Trades/Transactions: sttmxn, Krush, jgsugden, Ayrychx2, Venport, Tysac
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 7:28 PM |
| Dekanter Goblin!
Its only disadvantage is its speed, and it can take out pretty much any fodder of a comparable price. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 7:44 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Feathers
quote:
Originally posted by IanB
quote:
Originally posted by Feathers
The greatest 5-point fodder ever created...
The Lemure!
Both the Helmed Horror and Chraal need to full attack that thing to kill it!!!! How crazy is that?
Yeah, because it is TOTALLY MAKING that out of command +2 morale check! ;)
Oh man, you are so gonna regret making that comment:
FEARLESS! Haha! PWNT! [Insert obligatory smiley here]
My god, the raw power! (I never noticed that before.) | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 04/14/2006 7:51 PM |
| | gonna say inspired Lt right now...really will see her come and play when that duergar psychic warrior comes out...ohhh!!!for oldies but goodies i say dreadguard... | |
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Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 7:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chairman7w
The Wand Expert.
The Blurs alone can win a game for you and it's fun to sit back behind enemy lines and just plink away. I've done more than 75 damage with him on several occassions. All this for 33 pts.
^^ Chairman knows the score.
Heavy unlimited damage at sight and up close, mix of energy types, and acid arrows go through SR. Cheap, has blurs and magic weapons to mix it up. He dies easilly, but the fact you can chug out 25/ turn within 6 even when based is downright handy. | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 04/14/2006 9:27 PM |
| My current favorite is the GHAST!
This beauty from Giants of Legend has come back into my focus because of the change in difficult creatures. Since it is undead already, it is always out of command, but who cares! It always saves on morale!!!
For 25 points, you get 10 damage plus paralysis on every attack. You might think that a DC15 paralysis is not that great, but let us not forget STENCH! Yes, it makes the opponents save at a 17...just a bit harder, and their AC goes down and yours goes up!
The only drawback is that it has only 30 hitpoints. If it had 10 more for the same price, this guy would be everywhere. Even still, playing this guy (or two) in a band with a HGB can be deadly! | |
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 10:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Pegasus Knight
My actual answer to this question would be: Wood Woad.
It looks fabulous on paper, but just doesn't cut it in real life. If it were large sized I wood agree with you. Against non-fliers on the Drow Outpost map you might have a chance though. | |
It's deja vu all over again. | |
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
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The Defenestrator
AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 04/14/2006 11:30 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nycfarmkid
My Vote for the most underrated figure is the Cleric of Corellon Larethian. Commander 4, Magic weapon x2 for a faction with a lot of non-magic melee damage, Bless, Hold Person x2, and some healing for 25 points. All this commander needs is a decent elf or half elf melee figure and it will shine very brightly.
I agree there. A nice Elf Spearmaiden or something.. might look like this.
Lvl 8
Cost 40
Speed 8
HP 70
AC 16
+15/+8 (15 magic+5 elec)
Reach 2
Set Against Charge 10
Shed look pretty nice with the Cleric leading a force of them.
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Pegasus Knight
Sergeant
896 Posts
| | 04/15/2006 12:06 AM |
| | Yeah, except the Cleric's like, how expensive? 30 dollars on eBay and there's no Chainmail Equivalent? Ouch. But yeah, it is an interesting piece despite that. | |
- Irrationally Fanatical Champion of Pegasus-mounted cavalry
- Proud member of Team Low Tier Beasting: I play CG as my main faction!
- Garland, TX 2006 Qualifier Champion
My trading thread: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19725 | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 04/15/2006 12:24 AM |
| After seeing the Lemure I'd have to agree if only it was faster than speed 4. It's fearless makes Difficult basically a non-issue and its host of immunities/resistances make it difficult to eliminate without sending a "real" piece after it. As stated, its a 5 point fodder that require two hits to kill from some Tier 1 pieces costing 7+ times as much.
Another piece that is more interesting since the rush requirement for difficult has been removed is the Ochre Jell. If it starts on a victory area I can see it getting removed before covering its points unless your opponent devotes heavy resources to do so.
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 04/15/2006 1:44 AM |
| I've noticed that Mordenkainen is not included under any faction in the Competitive Toolkit. Does this mean he is underrated?
I've never used him - anyone have any thoughts on him? | |
Champion of the Cleric with Raise Dead | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 04/15/2006 4:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by BoloBaby
I've noticed that Mordenkainen is not included under any faction in the Competitive Toolkit. Does this mean he is underrated?
I've never used him - anyone have any thoughts on him?
With tiles I had sucess using him in CE defensive builds (Clay golem and ZWD I love you), but lately I haven't used him. He's quite solid for his cost however, and whilst being slightly ssquishy, he's pretty sturdy for a spellcaster. | |
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Pegasus Knight
Sergeant
896 Posts
| | 04/15/2006 4:27 AM |
| | Well, someone asked me to run an Epic Mordenkainen band recently. They wanted to see what I can do with Epic Mordy + seven Celestial Pegasi, which should be 493 points and 8 activations. I'm certainly willing to give that a try as soon as I get the pieces I need. I've got Mordy, have 3 Pegasi already, and 2 more coming in the mail, leaves me just two short of that warband. Hmm. | |
- Irrationally Fanatical Champion of Pegasus-mounted cavalry
- Proud member of Team Low Tier Beasting: I play CG as my main faction!
- Garland, TX 2006 Qualifier Champion
My trading thread: http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19725 | |
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