Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
    
Southeast PA
 | | 04/27/2006 9:12 AM |
| The skirmish stats of the Blackspawn Exterminator place him squarely in the middle of a popular group of orcs and ogres. He has the same speed as, and 4 more AC than, a Red Samurai (from Dragoneye) and a few more hit points than the esteemed Orc Champion. His best damage is dealt when his Sudden Strike hits, allowing him to slice for 20 per swing. He might not have the pure damage output of the other beaters in his point range, but his ability to become Invisible for a turn and also drop a 20 acid damage line (DC 18!) should allow this uncommon miniature to find his way into CE warbands.
This guy sounds really good to me. For about 40 points you have a speed 8 guy with AC 18 and 85+ HP doing a 20 damage line attack at a DC 18. I see multiples of this piece in the new CE warbands.
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Zozo
Warrior
218 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 9:17 AM |
| | He sounds good, but he looks like a "Gremlins" movie reject. [:P] | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1500 Posts
Spain
| | 04/27/2006 9:18 AM |
| | Hum...It sound good,but surely orc champion will continue being better choice.I hope better figures than the orc champion will appear soon.In CG better. | |
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jooquase
Warrior
272 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 9:52 AM |
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Originally posted by iluvxtina
Hum...It sound good,but surely orc champion will continue being better choice.I hope better figures than the orc champion will appear soon.In CG better.
The orc champion might be better, but not every-one has 40$ to pay on a single mini. [)] | |
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EldritchSoul
Warrior
324 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 9:56 AM |
| depends on if he swings once or twice and at what bonuses, and what level he is. sounds like he's 39 points.
We'll also have to see how much we like acid damage vs. fire when DQ is fully revealed. | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 10:22 AM |
| It's iffy, but I'm tending toward "no."
I think acid is a fairly solid win over fire, despite the prevalence of Chraals, especially with the higher DC. Also, at 85+ HP, he can stand up to the Hill Giant Barbarian for more than two swings.
On the other hand, it sounds like he only does 15 damage per swing, barring Sudden Strike, and that's probably not going to fly in CE.
(Won't Sudden Strike usually only be useful for the first attack, rather than "per swing"? I know it works against Stunned and Helpless creatures, but how often does CE cause those conditions?)
On the other (other) hand, I think this will be a great piece to pull at the WotDQ Prerelease. | |
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 04/27/2006 10:40 AM |
| I think a line is better than a cone because it gives you a much better threat range. You threaten a piece that is 20 squares away when you include his speed of 8. With four of these it won't be hard at all to put four lines onto the piece you want. Not to mention the opportunity to hit the soft tech pieces in the back like the commander.
DC 18 is very good. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 10:41 AM |
| | His invisibility might also end up being useful. Not quite sure HOW useful it will be, but I am definitely in the "wait and see" category." | |
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XAos
Underboss
2395 Posts
London
| | 04/27/2006 10:50 AM |
| Presumably won't have fire resistance, which is currently a significant advantage to the red samurai.
Speed:8+line = 20 squares.
speed:8+cone = 14 squares so it might have an edge for CE tactics.
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 04/27/2006 11:02 AM |
| If it has two attacks with decent attack bonuses, I don't think swinging for 15 damage a pop is really that bad, even in CE. It's increased survivability (18 AC and relatively high HP) and versatility (breath weapon and ghost step) could easily make up for the the lack of straight up damage.
If it has Sudden Strike +10 and only does 10 base damage, then its not going to be worth it.
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1500 Posts
Spain
| | 04/27/2006 11:11 AM |
| | I have two orc champions since archfiends release.They did not cost me 40 $....indeed.I picked them from two boosters. | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 11:16 AM |
| The Red Hand of Doom web enhancement gives stats for a Blackspawn Raider Ninja 6, who sounds like a good match for this figure. Here's my attempt at minitizing his stats:
Blackspawn Exterminator
CE; Uncommon; 40ish pts
Lvl 10; Spd 8; AC 18; HP 85
Melee Attack: +19/+14 (10 magic + poison)
Type: Monstrous Humanoid (Dragon)
Special Abilities:
- DR 5
- Conceal 6 (maybe?)
- Poison (10 damage, DC 16), maybe
- Ghost Step [] (+ more []s hopefully)
- Sudden Strike +10
- Breath Weapon [] (Replaces attacks; Line; 20 acid damage; DC 18)
- Immune Acid, Paralysis
Yeah, 10 damage. The sudden strike does 10, so that's 10 base damage. There had better be more than one use of ghost step. I appreciate Shoe always trying to put each mini's best foot forward, but unless this guy costs 35 points like a Chraal, there's just no way he'll see play. | |
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 04/27/2006 11:19 AM |
| Benimoto, does it have the power attack feat? With +19/+14 and a two-handed weapon, it could easily average out to 15 damage by only sacrificing a few points of attack bonus.
Of course that would mean they nerfed it's Sudden Strike damage. | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 11:26 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by scruffydude7
Benimoto, does it have the power attack feat? With +19/+14 and a two-handed weapon, it could easily average out to 15 damage by only sacrificing a few points of attack bonus.
Of course that would mean they nerfed it's Sudden Strike damage.
The creature in the book doesn't. The Ninja in the book is mostly a sniper, but the mini doesn't have a shortbow as far as I can tell. So I hope they based it off different stats, but the similarities are too striking to just be a coincidence.
If he's a Ninja 6, which is the onyl way to give him enough HP to have more than the Orc champ, then he'll do +10 damage on a Sudden Strike. If Shoe says he does 20 with a sudden strike, that only leaves 10 for the base. [B)] | |
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jooquase
Warrior
272 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 11:46 AM |
| I think it looks pretty good, with the acid line + immune acid it would be great to have 3 or 4 of them, they can target each other for better aiming.
Also being a dragon, you could potentialy bring him to CG with the dragon totem hero. I don't realy see any good combos for now but there might be something there. | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 04/27/2006 3:23 PM |
| I think the strengh of the figure will lie in its ability to go invisible to move anywhere it wants to set up that Acid line. Lines can be devestating as long as you attack from an optimal position. The invisibility will allow for this to happen.
The 10 damage hits are going to sink this guy though. It won't be tier one no matter what just because his big damage will be too situational. | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 4:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jooquase
I think it looks pretty good, with the acid line + immune acid it would be great to have 3 or 4 of them, they can target each other for better aiming.
Also being a dragon, you could potentialy bring him to CG with the dragon totem hero. I don't realy see any good combos for now but there might be something there.
And that might be his real strength. As CG needs something viable in that 38-42 slot. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 5:03 PM |
| | I wouldn't count on his type being dragon. The Tiamat-spawn we have stats for are not of the Dragon type, they just have the dragonblood subtype. | |
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Kypdurron
Underboss
1206 Posts
Broken Hill
| | 04/27/2006 8:07 PM |
| | I think his invisibility will make him very useful for knocking off that commander who is being well protected! | |
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Runelord151
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1203 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 8:45 PM |
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Originally posted by IanB
I wouldn't count on his type being dragon. The Tiamat-spawn we have stats for are not of the Dragon type, they just have the dragonblood subtype.
I can't remember correctly, but wouldn't dragonblooded subtype effectively make him a dragon for all intents and purposes of special attacks, commander effects, etc.? | | | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 04/27/2006 8:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Runelord151
quote:
Originally posted by IanB
I wouldn't count on his type being dragon. The Tiamat-spawn we have stats for are not of the Dragon type, they just have the dragonblood subtype.
I can't remember correctly, but wouldn't dragonblooded subtype effectively make him a dragon for all intents and purposes of special attacks, commander effects, etc.?
Hm you know it might, I had forgotten about the revised ruling on that stuff. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 04/28/2006 12:14 AM |
| | In game seems really good, to take the place of the Red Dragon samurai, but i still don´t like the sculpt really ugly. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 04/28/2006 12:17 AM |
| | YES! I loved the movie Gremlins and now we get a Gremlin mini. MINIS ROCK! | |
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EldritchSoul
Warrior
324 Posts
| | 04/28/2006 12:21 AM |
| | i wouldn't be surprised by a "Humanoid (dragon)" or "Monstrous Humanoid (Dragon)" type | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 04/28/2006 12:25 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
YES! I loved the movie Gremlins and now we get a Gremlin mini. MINIS ROCK!
Jajajaja! Funny! Maybe is an angry Gizmo! don´t feed them after midnight. | |
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jooquase
Warrior
272 Posts
| | 04/28/2006 9:45 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Luisjoey
quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
YES! I loved the movie Gremlins and now we get a Gremlin mini. MINIS ROCK!
Jajajaja! Funny! Maybe is an angry Gizmo! don´t feed them after midnight.
Emagin a Grimlin fighting a water elemental [:D]
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 04/28/2006 9:52 AM |
| Terrible!
Just imagine for each water elemental hit place one Blackspawn Exterminator!!!!
BTW, i would be sad if this creature is rare! what a lose of a rare slot! | |
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Chad the DragonLordofAiur
Underboss
1085 Posts
Southeast PA
| | 04/28/2006 10:46 AM |
| | The web site says it is an uncommon. | |
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