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LCS
Underboss
1896 Posts
    
 | | 05/02/2006 9:10 PM |
| http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=9080862&postcount=64
quote:
originally posted by Guy at WotC
New info:
The Marut can't be pinned in these situations. Single-Minded does not limit a Marut's actions if it can't trace line of sight to the enemy commander(s). I'll get revised language on my clarifications page some time later, but it may have to wait a day or two.
(Yay!)
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 05/02/2006 9:17 PM |
| | Hooray! The garbage is over....Marut will make its showing! | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
948 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 05/02/2006 9:35 PM |
| well.marut useless, don´t think so. You need to see comander in melee reach for not hit enemy not comanders or move, but marut can hit commander, in king road, if marut dont have LoS with Commander it can move normally, because marut don´t see comander, so single minded is not applicable.
In thin-walls, is the same if marut don´t have line of sight and melee reach with the commander, single minded isnt useful. Even with Blindsight, the hability dont work.
Marut need to be:
1. Have LoS with the comander
2. Commander need to be en marut melee reach
Ok, let see:
M= marut
C= Commander
-- = thin wall
..MM..
..MM..
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...C..
Marut is in melee reach, but it can´t see the Commander so single minded is not triger.
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 05/02/2006 9:36 PM |
| | Yay - smart move on WotC's part. Keep life simple. | |
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Toxic_Rat
Sergeant
745 Posts
Lehi, Utah, USA
| | 05/02/2006 9:42 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
Hooray! The garbage is over....Marut will make its showing!
So...you're going to use the Marut? [)]
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 05/02/2006 9:49 PM |
| | Heh! Nice try.....then again it is quite possible. | |
"Like a thief in the Night"
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 9:56 PM |
| I never thought it was useless and I figured they'd make some modification to the rules as per LOS and Single-Minded. It just doesn't make sense that it has to attack something it can't see. Marut would be standing in the forest saying, "I know there's a commander around here somewhere, I just can't see one. Oh well I'll just sit here and wait until I can." It just seems a bit silly.
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Lead Moderator
LCS
Underboss
1896 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 10:00 PM |
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I've fixed the thread title (which used to read "oh well... MARUT NO LONGER USELESS ;)").
I never considered the Marut useless, I was just poking a bit of fun at the folks who were tearing up their Marut stat cards in other threads. [)] | | | |
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Frost-Bitten
Sergeant
677 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 10:11 PM |
| | [sarcasm]Wow wasn't that exciting... almost as exciting as giving up on V's NOST...heh[/sarcasm] | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10425 Posts
United States
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zenthrus
Warlord
5082 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/02/2006 11:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
This Marut news is a lot more exciting than my NOST non-news.
[:)]
Dave
Can't argue logic like that [)]
I do have to say this makes more sense. If there's no LOS to the commander how could the Marut know he had to hang out in that spot? Nice to see it logically concluded. | |
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Aravis
Underboss
1155 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 11:32 PM |
| | WHoooo! Not that I doubted Guy would allow them to rule like that :P | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 11:32 PM |
| | This does make both my Maruts happy. The will see some action again! | |
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Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
Calgary, AB, Canada
| | 05/02/2006 11:51 PM |
| | hmmm invsible commanders..... | |
It would be very unlikely for unlikely events not to occur.
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 05/03/2006 1:28 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Foxman
hmmm invsible commanders.....
Commander with sanctuary.
Now I just have to find my sticky tape and re-assemble my stat card. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
11464 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/03/2006 2:09 AM |
| | Well, it's not like the Marut needed a lot of help, but I suppose the new ruling makes more sense. | |
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XAos
Underboss
2395 Posts
London
| | 05/03/2006 5:39 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
quote:
Originally posted by Foxman
hmmm invsible commanders.....
Commander with sanctuary.
Now I just have to find my sticky tape and re-assemble my stat card.
Invisible commander probably means no LoS.
Commander with Sanctuary would be realistic the Marut is "trying" to hit the commander, but the spell stops it.
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loremaster
Sneak
105 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 11:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XAos
quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
quote:
Originally posted by Foxman
hmmm invsible commanders.....
Commander with sanctuary.
Now I just have to find my sticky tape and re-assemble my stat card.
Invisible commander probably means no LoS.
Commander with Sanctuary would be realistic the Marut is "trying" to hit the commander, but the spell stops it.
Except the Marut has blindsight, so he can see invisible. | |
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rhane
Underboss
1412 Posts
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Zoons
Underboss
1066 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 12:24 PM |
| Well it's nice to see that a rules "loophole" has been closed. Would have changed the shift of the game and the Marut would have had to be banned (just like the Drider) for making the game too obnoxiously teedius.
Looks like my anti-Marut tech is still a go.[:p] | |
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Rolland
Sneak
105 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 12:41 PM |
| Thanks and much appreciated, GuyF. Keep up the good work!
(even though I've only used Marut in Epic, and even then sparingly, I really like this ruling.) | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 1:53 PM |
| | Eh well, now I have to reconsider using Marut at the Qualifiers. I really like Marut...especially on Forest. Now HH bands have something to truly fear again. | | | |
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md3
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 2:39 PM |
| Thank goodness the simple ruling wins out.
I was going to hate keeping my Marut away from walls.
3 Cheers...
Hip... Hip.. Huzzah
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 10:35 PM |
| | Darn, and I was so enjoying watching the metagame crumble before our very eyes. Meh, oh well- I guess this one gets filed under "Rumors of the Marut's demise have been greatly ... exaggerated." | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
948 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 05/07/2006 3:56 PM |
| | Use aramil for ray of enflebement (reduce damage) and 2 Cleric of Garlglittergold and when you win iniciative, you usea sanctuary and put it adjacent to the Marut, then go with all you have, in the next round if you win iniciative, use the same, so you have to rounds for eliminate it, maybe works!!! | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 05/07/2006 6:38 PM |
| | Its not like that one single ruling would have prevented any Marut's showing up. I reallyd oubt it would have even affected much, but it got everyone up in a tiff, which was surprising. I like the rule after its been fixed, but if it would have stayed, it wouldnt have "ruined" a lot in my opinion. | |
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