Foxman
Sergeant
417 Posts
    
Calgary, AB, Canada
 | | 06/07/2006 12:37 PM |
| Just a quick follow up poll.
What figure do you think is the WORST from Wardrums. It can be for:
- stats
- skirmish value
- sculpt
- RPG value
- price value
- or for any reason
just choose that LAST out of 60 pieces. Whats your LVP (least valueable piece) and why (if you feel like explaining, or not as you wish).
This isnt to bash wardrums ;) just curious if there is a consenses about what piece did the least well out of the set. | |
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hardinjmm
Sergeant
573 Posts
Madison, WI
| | 06/07/2006 12:55 PM |
| As far as rares go (it is really hard to figure out the worst figure period, since many of the commons and the uncommons can be better or worse at times and it is very subjective), I would say the following are near the bottom (for skirmish):
- Snig, Worg Rider
- Night Hag
That said, I like both of those pieces as far as minis go, just not in skirmish. Beyond that, it is hard to make a case for any particular figure being THE WORST, skirmish-wise. There are many sub-par pieces, but nothing quite as bad as, say, the Human Cleric of Bane (one of the worst skirmish rares ever, that comes to mind).
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Urban Druid
Warrior
253 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by hardinjmm
- Snig, Worg Rider
- Night Hag
I agree that neither really pulls their weight, but I will maintain that I would use the Night Hag in skirmish waayy sooner than I would use Snig, putting him on the bottom in my book. Much of that is due to the fact that he's a rare (and a somewhat-decent RPG piece)... | |
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Bluedevyl
Warrior
262 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:11 PM |
| | I'm going to have to go with the Sand Giant... he's decent in sealed, but when it comes to all the other LG beaters, he doesnt really fit in for his cost... he's a great fig for a 500 point game, but for a 200 point competitive band, I think he was a miss... | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:13 PM |
| | Visually, I thought WD was pretty good, and the only pieces that I would never even consider while constructing a warband are the pieces with squad activation (skeletal legionaire and axe soldier). | |
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Daezarkian
Sneak
110 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:14 PM |
| The Frost Dwarf. This figure has no appeal for me whatsoever, Skirmish or D&D, none, nada, nope. Did I mention I hate this mini?
Gulgar. His stats are OK for Skirmish, but not great, and he's not something I'm likely to ever use in D&D.
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memphisto
Warrior
213 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:15 PM |
| | I have to concur with the Snig, Worgrider vote. Large worg and crappy stats for a piece that so many people would have been pleased with if either of these issues were different. What a wasted opportunity for both skirmish and RPG. [V] | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12347 Posts
The G Spot
| | 06/07/2006 1:28 PM |
| For RPG, the arcane ballista is nigh useless.
Skirmish wise Snig blows. He gets my vote.
Lion of Talisid - all around sucky.
Khumat and Warbound Impaler - Two figs I really like the look of, but really serve no purpose in RPG for me and almost np purpose in skirmish.
War Troll RPG - I like my trolls stupid and not weapon savvy. Nice looking fig but I'll never use one in RPG. | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:29 PM |
| | The only fig I might never use is Snig, Worgrider. I might try him out in a 100 point game but that is about it. I would also say thet the Lion of Tsalid is also a canidate for this, | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/07/2006 1:35 PM |
| | Until LE gets some good Psionic units I'm going to say the Inspired Lieutenant. She looks pretty good and all but I also pulled way too many of her. | | | |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
854 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:38 PM |
| Based on my sell prices (which are a direct factor of Zenakos/Madda onlinbe price guides)
Common: Halfling Slinger ($CAD 0.25)
Uncommon: Tie between Sacred Watcher, Brass Samurai, Lion of Talisid, Mephling Pyromancer ($CAD 0.75)
Rare: Orc Wardummer ($CAD 8.50)
Anyone else get the feeling that a group other than skirmishers are determining the value of pieces (i.e. we make up a small fraction of the market)? | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6680 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 1:44 PM |
| Man, okay, LVP for wardrums, well the RPG and Skirmish aspects are very different, is there one that fits both? ehn, see below. When you say LVP, it connotes "value" which implies a scoring system which implies skirmish - since it's a game with a score. So, I'll list it via Skirmish.
Howling Orc - Have too many, useless in skirmish, not an appealing figure (although the sculpt is good work).
Blood Ghost Berserker for skirmish alone. I love Bugbears, and this sculpt, but this guy costs waaaaaaaaay too much for what he does in his faction - and if supposed to transfer to LE, I haven't found an efficient way to use him yet. He just sucks.
Warforged for rpg alone. Something I will use? Nope. Only as proxies. | |
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lantern314
Sergeant
684 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 2:07 PM |
| | I thought hard about Snig, but my vote goes to the Lion of Taslid. Ugh. | |
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PerpetualStudent
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 2:08 PM |
| | This is a big topic and for each area of play a different figure or figures could be chosen, however, I really do not like the two figures they made for the introduction scenario. I know some people believe there can never be too many Orcs or Elves, but I disagree and these figures are not really needed for role playing and they are AWFUL in skirmish. No one would or should ever consider playing them outside that one one one introduction to skirmishing. | |
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cooter926
Sneak
165 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 2:35 PM |
| | Lion gets my vote also....beastmaster 7????? WTF...the biggest bang for your buck with him wouldda been beastmaster 8!! need to bump that sissy running dire bear. 20 magic damage via gfd and lion makes him a lil more fierce...but alas, no dice.. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 2:56 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gnolaum
Based on my sell prices (which are a direct factor of Zenakos/Madda onlinbe price guides)
Common: Halfling Slinger ($CAD 0.25)
Uncommon: Tie between Sacred Watcher, Brass Samurai, Lion of Talisid, Mephling Pyromancer ($CAD 0.75)
Rare: Orc Wardummer ($CAD 8.50)
Anyone else get the feeling that a group other than skirmishers are determining the value of pieces (i.e. we make up a small fraction of the market)?
Not really. How many of each of these figures does anyone need? Unless you're making a DDM Marching band, the most wardrummers you would ever use is two, and that's 500. Sacred Watchers? Lots of other ghosty figures out there. Plus, other undead are more popular. Lion of Talisid and Mephling Pyromancer? Stupid sculpts. Halfling slinger? Again, it's not a good skirmish piece, and RPGers likely only need a couple. | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 3:52 PM |
| Karrnathi Zombie
2 for 1 sale on figures. Sure I can up to 16 activations but they still can't hit the broad side of a barn or damage if they do. | |
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CTSparky
Sneak
128 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 4:10 PM |
| | Warpriest of Moradin. The painting is horendous (just as bad as the frost dwarf) just take a look at what the paint master is supposed to look like then look at the fig's mottled dome! | |
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Juggernaut
Skirmisher
23 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 4:23 PM |
| Having opened +8 Snigs out of random packs. He has earned his way into the most hated for me.
Give us more Jellies | |
Make more Jellies.
Or a Pudding, or a Cube. | |
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Helzapoppn
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 4:37 PM |
| The Frost Dwarf looks absolutely terrible with all the skipped paint steps, making him useless for RPG.
And at 11 points there will ALWAYS be a better figure to use in Skirmish for CE (Cursed Spirit, Trog Thug, Quaggoth Slave, Gravehound, hell I'd even pick the Derro over Frosty...).
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 5:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by CTSparky
Warpriest of Moradin. The painting is horendous (just as bad as the frost dwarf) just take a look at what the paint master is supposed to look like then look at the fig's mottled dome!
you could get mad at the chinese who spend hours painting these little dude and glueing them together for coppers :P
hmm this set is soo good is hard to pick out bad minis, i even disagree with some of the mini suggested that are bad.
but i got to agree with most people are about Snig, Worg Rider. i was very unhappy with him as iam a big fan of snig the axe. he dont even look cool imo. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 5:20 PM |
| Common: Howling Orc, pretty bad in skirmish and the mask-thingy it has is ugly.
Uncommon: Frost Dwarf, 'nuff said.
Rare: Snig, too big, bad in Skirmish. | |
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Tried
Sergeant
501 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 10:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by lantern314
I thought hard about Snig, but my vote goes to the Lion of Taslid. Ugh.
lantern 314 is correct. | |
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Mortusbard
Sergeant
427 Posts
North Carolina
| | 06/07/2006 11:18 PM |
| Lion of Talesid good sculpt terrible piece
Howling orc just ugly
Snig trashed a classic | |
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nasamonkey
Warrior
296 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 12:47 AM |
| Worst by rank...by skirmish stats:-
1)Snig,Worg Rider. Its a letdown since the uncommon version is xxxxx times better.And its not a cheap figure.
2)Orc Mauler.26point Speed 6 CE Orc doing 15 damage with one attack.
3)Orc Wardrummer.He's drumbeat is crap.why would i play him?
KIDDING. Howling Orc & Halfling Slinger shares third place.
Orc Wardrummer's value is a joke.one of the best but cheapest wardrum rare. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
11464 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 06/08/2006 1:18 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Urban Druid
quote:
Originally posted by hardinjmm
- Snig, Worg Rider
- Night Hag
I agree that neither really pulls their weight, but I will maintain that I would use the Night Hag in skirmish waayy sooner than I would use Snig, putting him on the bottom in my book. Much of that is due to the fact that he's a rare (and a somewhat-decent RPG piece)...
Yup, plus the Night Hag is actually a half-decent foil for the mighty Helmed Horror. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/08/2006 1:35 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Helzapoppn
The Frost Dwarf looks absolutely terrible with all the skipped paint steps, making him useless for RPG.
And at 11 points there will ALWAYS be a better figure to use in Skirmish for CE (Cursed Spirit, Trog Thug, Quaggoth Slave, Gravehound, hell I'd even pick the Derro over Frosty...).
For all those reasons I agreee that frost dwalf is the worst. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 5:00 AM |
| I go with Snig. There were a lot of ppl who wanted a new Snig.
- People wanted a new Snig.
- People wanted an epic Snig.
- People wanted a mounted medium goblin worg rider
- People wanted a Snig who would be as useful as the original in skirmish
- People wanted a Snig who looked like the other one, to show progressin for a Goblin or Snig
Well.. they did get a Snig.. just too bad about the rest of that.. | |
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zhanteel
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 1:30 PM |
| | I'm going to have to go with the Ogre War Hulk. He's a nice idea, but he gets creamed way too easy to make him worthwhile. Seems to me his only real nitche is to run into fodder piles. 90hp like 13 ac (at work, can't remember for sure). Whirlwind just isn't enough to compensate, as any good pieces in that arc will crush him. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5082 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/08/2006 1:46 PM |
| Snig, Worg Rider
Stats--He has a giant, glowing target on his forehead, and mounted melee attack without reach. Bad mojo.
Skirmish Value--Why bother? Archfiends Snig + beater is superior for the points.
Sculpt--Medium-sized goblin on a large worg? Enough said.
RPG Value--See above.
Price Value--Pointless for everything but set completion....not worth the $8 or so that he goes for on ebay
Any reason--Snig sans his hat is heresy [V] | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/08/2006 2:24 PM |
| | I will just sing with the choir, SNIG IS AWFUL! lalalalala. | |
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MikeyChraal
Warrior
254 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/08/2006 2:37 PM |
| | Definately night hag, its the biggest waste of points in LE. Oh asnd whoever said that the inspired lieutenant is over priced then you are WRONG lol I think that she is one of the best LE commanders ever. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 2:41 PM |
| As bad as Snig is (and I disagree with Tried, he is certainly worse than the bad Lion of Talisid, which at least offers a casting of flame strike and a couple decent buffs) I think the actual worst figure in War Drums is the Karnathi Zombie.
Let's see, for 11 points I get a whopping 5 damage and speed 4, and on top of it I get to give away all the activation advantage I would otherwise be able to derive from the Mob 2 ability thanks to squad activation.
Bleach! Bad in sealed, too.
There are a number of honorable mention figures too: horde zombie (slow attack, worse AC, and higher cost almost put it worse than the karrnathi zombie but at least it hits for 10, has speed 6, and doesn't eat up your activations), derro (just ugh, but at least you can use it in sealed to fire your ballista), wood elf ranger.
I'd say all 4 of those are worse than Snig, which is really saying something. | |
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One_Wing
Sergeant
494 Posts
London
| | 06/08/2006 4:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by cooter926
20 magic damage via gfd and lion makes him a lil more fierce...but alas, no dice..
That does actually work as is. The GFD removes wild rather than just ignoring it for commanding, allowing any commanders in your band to command wild things. I think. NOw go forth, and aid me in my quest to make GFD tier 1.
Edit: I allso really really hate snig and the horde zombie. | |
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swoper
Sneak
54 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 4:38 PM |
| | Gotta be Snig | |
I've got a lot of Minis, okay, so lets just leave it at that... | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 6:13 PM |
| | Hunting Couger for me: It's sorta usefull as a VP grabber, but I'd only need one, and the sculpt's not great. At leas Snig is kinda cool looking...although I'm not exactly fond of the frost dwarf either... | |
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KitShickers
Skirmisher
20 Posts
| | 06/09/2006 6:16 AM |
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As far as bad sculpts are concerned I am suprised nobody mentioned the hobgoblin archer. He looks so stupid holding that stumpy little arrow up for the whole world to see. He has such an intimidating glare and stance, but his weapons are a joke. He might win for MCP... Most Comical Piece, but that is a different thread.
I lean toward the lion of Talisid bashing camp. bleck, his stats suck, and I hate his retro blond mane.
I got into the game to late to appreciate the first snig. Snig 2 isn't that bad when compaired to other dog riders. He has a kinda cartoonish flare that i like. The look is perfect for how ineffectual he is. As far as skirmishing is concerned, it is pretty hilarious what kind of obsticals you can get around just to make a flanking attack with the new Snig. Definately not worth it in a tournament, but he is fun to play. | |
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