vanrulzz
Commander
2557 Posts
    
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| well i cant believe i won the WBC... never made it past the first couple rounds before that. wow.
For the next challenge, there was an idea i heard quite a while ago that i really liked, where you start with a creature, and then find one stat of it, level, ac, type, blindsight, whatever and the next creature in your warband has to share that same stat. that stat is now locked and cannot be used to chain any other creatures together. this will not be a 2.0 challenge, as there are not enough stats at the time to justify doing so. maybe by next time a couple more sets will be out and that will all be good.
If you have any challenge suggestions or modifications to my idea, post them here, or just discuss how the heck i managed to win WBC 14 :)
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LordOfBlades
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 02/02/2008 11:21 AM |
| First of all congratualtions!
Your idea sounds great in theory, but I think it might produce some results that are contray to what I see as the Warband Challenge spirit(building original warbands that fulfill some pretty weird criteria that exclude msot of the classical warbands).
For example:
I choose the Large Black Dragon as my starting creature.
Using type(dragon) I bring in a Large Shadow Dragon.
Using it's movement speed (8) or alignment if you argue that f8 is different than 8 I bring in a Thrall of Blackrazor.
Using Level(8) I bring in a Werewolf Lord.
Using AC(15) I bring in a Gnoll
Using attack bonus(1) I bring in a second gnoll
Using damage(10) I bring in a 3rd gnoll
Using hp(10) I bring in the 4th gnoll
What I get is one of the best Tier 1 warbands of DDM 1.0, which, IMHO, does not belong in a warband challenge.
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razvan_4356
Skirmisher
18 Posts
| | 02/02/2008 12:41 PM |
| Oooo, my turn :P
Xeph warrior in as starting creature
Put Shadowdancer in due to speed 8
put another one due to attack
put another one due to damage
put gnome trickster in due to sneak attack
put cormyrean war wizard in due to slide
put storm silverhand in due to type :) | | | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2557 Posts
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| | 02/02/2008 3:12 PM |
| | well i could impose more limits to stop the teir 1 flow, any ideas? | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/02/2008 5:49 PM |
| I don't think it is too early for 2.0... We have about a set and1/4 with preview, rules, and then starter set... If we waited 2 weeks we'd have 80 minis... That's not bad. In that setting I would have to say no more than 2 minis with the same name...keeps triple EB and merc general + sellswords at bay.
For 1.0 stuff I would have done it so you have to build using 80pts of rock bottom priced pieces! | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
| | 02/02/2008 7:36 PM |
| Posted By vanrulzz on 02/02/2008 3:12 PM
well i could impose more limits to stop the teir 1 flow, any ideas? The original limit daisy chained through factions. From LE to CE to CG to LG and looped. Also, no repeats were allowed. ;) | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2557 Posts
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| | 02/02/2008 8:11 PM |
| | greyhazes idea sounds kewl. i might do that. also if you have any other challenge suggestions feel free to put them here! | | | |
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LordOfBlades
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 02/03/2008 1:32 AM |
| Greyhaze's idea sounds cool indeed. I like it.
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razvan_4356
Skirmisher
18 Posts
| | 02/03/2008 2:52 AM |
| Ok, I've got a suggestion myself:
No doubles
All creatures in the warband must have one or more of the following abilities:
Always out of Command
Arrogant
Bleeder
Brittle Moral
Burnout
Cannot Rally
Command Dependent
Cowardly
Difficult
Domineering
Double Damage from Fire
Double Damage from Acid
Earthbound
Feast
Hard of Hearing
Incited
Inhibite
Jittery
Morale save -x
Murderous
Not Subject to Commander Effects
Plodding
Phalanx Fighting
Requires Commander
Requires Dwarf Commander
Requires Instructions
Slow Attack
Slow Ranged Attack
Stone Dead
Tiny Reach/No Reach
Unfurl
Universaly Hated
Wandering Monster
Wild
Check out all of the abilities and see what pieces you can fit in a warband. There are both good and bad pieces that get these abilities (Helmed Horror, Frenzied Bezerker and others). If you like the ideea, cool. If not, cool.
PS: I didn't look it up enough, so if by chance you can't make a warband with only one copy of each creature, we could drop the "No Doubles" rule and change it to "No Triples" :)
LE: I seem to be having problems with commanders here, so let's say "No commander rating over 3" ;) This counts as one on the long list, so it doesn't interfere with Obold's Domineering. Dwarves are an exception, since they don't seem to have a commander unde 4, so we'll count Dwarf Samurai as commander 1 for the purpose of using Slaughterstone Eviscerator :P | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 02/03/2008 6:27 AM |
| One of the advantages to making it a 2.0 challenge is that we'd all have to think really hard about what's what and how to make things work. This would give all our brains lots of exercise and would make us learn more about the new rules.
There are probably still some good 1.0 options though. You could limit the map choices, that can affect what people will play.
You could really make things crazy. You could say that every band has to include a certain number of pieces that are repaints/promos.
As I recall, there aren't any Large Shadow Dragon promos, there aren't any Shadowdancer repaints, etc.
This forces people to pick some otherwise rather blah pieces. You'd have to be careful. If you only assign one, or if you allow the cost to be too low, people will just pick the Prisoner and the Wild Elf Warsinger.
You could require people to make up adventurer bands (i.e. a Fighter, a Rogue, a Cleric and a Wizard, for starters).
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2557 Posts
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| | 02/03/2008 9:42 AM |
| | i dunno, i think i might just do the faction chaining/no doubles daisy chain. | | | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/03/2008 9:54 AM |
| We did do a no faction daisy chain a couple Challenges ago, albeit with somewhat different supplemental rules.
I kind of like razvan's suggestion, or something along those lines--every creature has some negative or limiting special property. I guess razvan will just have to win WBC XV so he can try it out in the next one! :) | | | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2557 Posts
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| | 02/03/2008 11:36 AM |
| | i actually read razvan's suggestion, and i am liking it, adventurer bands also sound good. so many challenges, only one opportunity (unless you are vrecknidj) | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 02/03/2008 2:09 PM |
| Posted By vanrulzz on 02/03/2008 11:36 AM
i actually read razvan's suggestion, and i am liking it, adventurer bands also sound good. so many challenges, only one opportunity (unless you are vrecknidj) I've just been lucky.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 02/03/2008 10:27 PM |
| I prefer a 2.0 challange if at all possible. Failing that nothing too weird like daisy chaining. That's just me though.
Perhaps:
Take a commander that mentions a creature type in its warband building or commander effect. Change that to any other type and build a band around it.
You could even add some more things in that could fluff things up. maybe restrict it to 35 point or less figures besides the commander or something.
For example Mina Dark Cleric now has warband building undead rather than dragons, or Vlakith now gives a damage bonus to orcs rather than undead | |
Looking for someone to cosponser a midwest DDM event. let me know if your interested!
Check out my brand new blog:
http://bshugg.blogspot.com | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 02/04/2008 6:18 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 02/04/2008 4:10 PM
Everything gains fearless. And nothing is resistant to Stun or Confuse, and diagonals count for 1 square, and lines go from corner to farthest corner of target square...
Oh. Wait.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
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LordOfBlades
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 02/07/2008 3:25 AM |
| Kind of quiet around here lately....
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 02/08/2008 8:45 AM |
| Adventuring bands would be cool as well. 200 points but must have at least one figure from each of the 4 catagories:
1. Fighter,barbarian, ranger, paladin, warrior, or champion in their name
2. Divine spellcaster
3. Arcane Spellcaster
4. Rogue, assasin in name or sneak attack of +10 or higher
then to keep people from splashing 4 cheap figs and just playing dragons or something:
All other figs in the band must cost 25 points or less each | |
Looking for someone to cosponser a midwest DDM event. let me know if your interested!
Check out my brand new blog:
http://bshugg.blogspot.com | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 02/08/2008 10:52 AM |
| Good call.
Adventuring bands would be cool as well. 200 points but must have at least one figure from each of the 4 catagories:
1. Fighter,barbarian, ranger, paladin, warrior, or champion in their name
2. Divine spellcaster (including druids)
3. Arcane Spellcaster
4. Rogue, monk or assasin in name or sneak attack of +10 or higher
then to keep people from splashing 4 cheap figs and just playing dragons or something:
All other figs in the band must cost 25 points or less each | |
Looking for someone to cosponser a midwest DDM event. let me know if your interested!
Check out my brand new blog:
http://bshugg.blogspot.com | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 02/08/2008 3:04 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 02/08/2008 11:12 AM
Storm warbands would be popular I'd imagine... No uniques.
Okay, maybe that's too intense.
No uniques with the word "Storm" in the name.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2557 Posts
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| | 02/08/2008 6:28 PM |
| | ok, i havent been on in a few days, but i have the challenge posted, thanks razvan for assembling the list of negative abilities | | | |
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LordOfBlades
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 02/09/2008 1:01 AM |
| So you went with razvan's idea. This is going to be interesting.
However,I think you should add some form of exception ofr commanders(like allow them but limit command rating to something). As it stands now, the only commader I can think of that will be allowed in this challenge would be King Obould Many Arrows(domineering). Or you could leave it this way because maybe it's time to put the commander 0 rule to some use.
Also, is there any limit to the nmber of copies of the same figure that you can include in your warband?
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/09/2008 1:20 AM |
| I think the only bands you will see will be obould clones... I don't like this WBC at all. Too bad it'll likely be the last 1.0 one... Sad... Unless i win and make people do rock bottom pricing!!!
Nothing really interesting comes to mind for this challenge as is. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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LordOfBlades
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 02/09/2008 1:33 AM |
| I thik you are wrong. Tehre are at least a few other decent peices that fit the restrictions of this warband challenge, such as Frenzied Berserker or Helmed Horror, which, as a side advantage are not too dependant on having a commnader.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
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vanrulzz
Commander
2557 Posts
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| | 02/10/2008 9:37 AM |
| | so, new rules update: One commander in your warband is exempt from the rules. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
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