vanrulzz
Commander
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 | | 04/23/2008 6:00 PM |
| the time has come... the final battle... i have no more to say. just vote.
EPIC BATTLE: C vs A:
C:
Couatl
Shield Guardian
Arcane Ballista
Iron Golem
Timber Wolf
Human Commoner
Map: Dragondown Grotto
A:
Ultraloth
Helmed Horror x2
Chrall
Kobold Warrior x3
Dire Rat
Map: Hellspike
there will be 1 week to vote, till the 30th, or judging by my lateness, sometime late may :P
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 04/23/2008 6:11 PM |
| Since the original rules were the higher commander gets to pick map the battle will take place on the Hellspike. This seriously hampers the Couatl band's strongest weapon: Arcane Ballista. Helmed horrors can take plink shots through the smoke at anything that is exposed which means the Couatl band will have to move into the smoke to have a chance. once this happens, Helmed horrors, ultraloth and Chrall swoop in and gang up on the Couatl, Elemental resists is helpful but if the Couatl goes down the band crumbles which I think is a very likely event. The Couatl is the only figure that can man the ballista making it basically useless on the smoke map.
A wins
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Aspect of Jason
Skirmisher
14 Posts
| | 04/23/2008 6:16 PM |
| I agree with the above post the map makes A the winner. Smoke+Helmed Horrors equal win.
Take out the Coutl-the Ballista is unmaned. Ignore the golem if need be a go after foddler then torture the Golem.
My vote: A
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 04/23/2008 6:33 PM |
| Couatl/Ballista gets into the difficult terrain on the bottom of the map so the Ballista can "see" all the victory areas. Iron Golem sits out front. Shield Guardian keeps Couatl alive longer than normal. Ultroloth's fire and Chraal's cold won't do much. It'll be closer than it looks.
I think I'll wait and cast my vote later, after I think about this some more.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 04/23/2008 10:23 PM |
| arcane ballista suxor the mostestest... Go ultroloth.
A | |
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 04/24/2008 11:58 AM |
| I have to vote A.
Map makes a difference, but I think A could do better on the opponents map than C could.
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Pedro
Commander
3926 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 04/24/2008 1:32 PM |
| Agreed with bshugg.
A takes the cup. | |
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razvan_4356
Skirmisher
18 Posts
| | 04/25/2008 1:34 AM |
| | I'll go for C. It's not gonna be that much about ranged power in this one, though, and that's a big disadvantage for C, but still, facing the Iron Golem, the HH only deal 5 damage. Sure, you could go around the golem, but the HHs will only deal 10 damage to anything else, while the Ballista cand still use it's area efect spell. Ultroloth makes little diference in this one, once it starts getting pounded, it's pretty much over. | | | |
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Aspect of Jason
Skirmisher
14 Posts
| | 04/25/2008 6:08 AM |
| Posted By razvan_4356 on 04/25/2008 1:34 AM
I'll go for C. It's not gonna be that much about ranged power in this one, though, and that's a big disadvantage for C, but still, facing the Iron Golem, the HH only deal 5 damage. Sure, you could go around the golem, but the HHs will only deal 10 damage to anything else, while the Ballista cand still use it's area efect spell. Ultroloth makes little diference in this one, once it starts getting pounded, it's pretty much over. You are forgetting that if the Coutl is taken out the Ballista is useless.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 04/25/2008 6:12 AM |
| Once the Couatl dies, the game is over. But, the Shield Guardian adds to the Couatl's life, and the Couatl can heal itself if it must. The Iron Golem is no slouch, though it cannot keep up with opposing pieces, so C will have to find a way to bring A's pieces toward itself (normally not such a problem with a Ballista, but a challenge on Hellspike). If A can avoid the Ballista and get ahead by enough assault points, then C can't win. But, I'm not convinced that A can do this.
Still thinking...
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Wraithborne
Commander
4461 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 04/25/2008 6:52 AM |
| | C | |
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LordOfBlades
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 04/27/2008 1:50 AM |
| C
I see this as a very challenging game. I really don;t think there are too may hopes for A to win a direct confrontation with C's main pieces. So A's main strategy to win this game would be to use the superior mobility of the Horrors to gather assault VP's. Still, this assumes it can do so without exposing it's key pieces to the much more powerful ranged attacks of band C. Which might prove really hard to do even on Hellspike if C places the ballista right. | | | |
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Czencas
Skirmisher
3 Posts
| | 04/27/2008 1:55 AM |
| | C has the most chances to win in my opinon ... more staying power plus is the balista manages to hit the ultro it's over ... plus i don't see the ultrolot + horros standing up to ig + shield guardian | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 04/27/2008 9:05 AM |
| Hmm, the vote grows tighter. Now I'll have to start arguing why A can't lose.
No matter which side goes to which player, A can prevent his band from losing pieces thanks to the cover of the smoke. And, since there's no hurry, he can continue to use placement to his advantage. No matter what, C cannot afford to separate the Couatl from the Ballista, and, though the Couatl seems the obvious target, if A can drop the Ballista and then retreat, so long as A is even a single point ahead, he's going to win because he can outmaneuver C and stay even on assault points.
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Gohu
Sneak
80 Posts
| | 04/27/2008 1:21 PM |
| C
Even if A hide behind the smoke, the minute something come out it is toast. If C don't give free point (like over extend one of its filler and/or expose it) it should do ok. ON ANY other map, C would do better but this cannot be said with team A.
My 2 copper on this ;-)
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Kypdurron
Underboss
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Broken Hill
| | 04/27/2008 6:48 PM |
| | Going to go with A in a battle thats really all about who's commander dies first ! | |
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| | 04/27/2008 6:56 PM |
| | C | |
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greyhaze
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| | 04/28/2008 7:11 AM |
| | A. A doesn't have to risk anything to get ahead on points, it hangs back C comes after it and it's too slow + ranged... but, I do think it is close due to the fire resistances and SG on C's side. | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 04/28/2008 8:57 AM |
| | assuming they both know how to play the matchup, A would win, at least on hellspike. On the other map C would totally slaughter it. | |
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Sector 2814
| | 04/30/2008 12:24 PM |
| today's the last day.
Posted By greyhaze on 04/30/2008 12:05 PM
Did this end?
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| | 05/01/2008 6:24 AM |
| | Come on Vanrulzz, in the immortal words of a mortal kombatant...
"Finish him" | |
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 05/01/2008 8:05 AM |
| It certainly won't be a flawles victory, but I think A has the winzorz, as the kids are saying these days.
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Churzelbee
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3 Posts
| | 05/02/2008 5:59 PM |
| | Ima say C. | | | |
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| | 05/03/2008 8:26 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 05/03/2008 5:21 AM
You'rea too late. The voting closed a couple days ago.
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Fixed that for ya dave.
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vanrulzz
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| | 05/05/2008 8:35 AM |
| well a close match, 8-6 gets the win for A which is...
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| | 05/05/2008 9:21 AM |
| Good on ya, bshugg.
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Gumper
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5 Posts
| | 05/05/2008 1:29 PM |
| Hi I am new to this site but find this odd. The person who won is the first to post, then votes for himself and gives a paragraph on why it should win. Just think it is odd that he did this.
I mean no disrespect and if I am overstepping bounds here I do apoligise.
Why are people allowed to vote and make statements like he did when he was one of the finalists? I just want to know as I may be interested in joining next time.
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Teflon Jeff
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| | 05/05/2008 1:52 PM |
| Posted By Gumper on 05/05/2008 1:29 PM
Hi I am new to this site but find this odd. The person who won is the first to post, then votes for himself and gives a paragraph on why it should win. Just think it is odd that he did this.
I mean no disrespect and if I am overstepping bounds here I do apoligise.
Why are people allowed to vote and make statements like he did when he was one of the finalists? I just want to know as I may be interested in joining next time.
No one knows whose band it is. Anyone can post a paragraph on what they think will win and why. The losing player could also have posted the same thing. As could any member, regardless of their affiliation. And no one would know if they were attempting to sway oppinion for themselves, or based on strategy.
If you check previous rounds, it is actually somewhat common to see a number of people put in their two cents on every matchup.
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Gumper
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5 Posts
| | 05/05/2008 2:55 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 05/05/2008 1:52 PM
No one knows whose band it is.
He didnt know that that band was his? How did he not? I am sorry but I thought it was strange that people still in the challenge are allowed to vote for thier band. As well as give a detailed (and a good post) thought on how a should win the game. That is all. Oh and not to mention that this is the same person that had a topic about introducing the game to new people and if they didnt like the game you get to get many good pieces real cheap (I believe he said he got some real good ones for under a 100.00-that being said he mustn't have told the person the going value) Then he makes a post about people stealing slots in the championships. Sorry but I have lurked here a long while and finally decided to join and this just threw me a bit. | | | |
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Teflon Jeff
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7670 Posts
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| | 05/05/2008 3:16 PM |
| You misunderstand, no one knows whose band it is other than the owner. Of course he knows it's his band, thinking anything else would be absurd.
However, let's say he votes on every matchup except his own. By process of elimination, others can easily deduce which band is his. So, in the interest of anonymity, we either have to allow him to vote on all bands, or on none at all, which really isn't very fun. Besides, it's assumed that for the most part, everyone votes for their own, so it's a wash their (instead of 10-8, he would have won 9-7) but this way, we get far more activity in the game.
There are also posts from other non-interested players on how each side would win the game. Would you say they should not be allowed to post that either?
Now, as to the rest of the post, I'm a little lost. Are you attempting to disparage his character? You've given a few facts about where he posted, apparently (at least to me) in an attempt to make him seem dishonest. Is this correct?
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greyhaze
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| | 05/05/2008 3:21 PM |
| | Most ppl vote for their own warbands, then the two submitters that have voted will essentially cancel each other out, while keeping the voting anonymous. Occasionally, some folks will vote against their own warband, but it is rare. | |
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Gumper
Skirmisher
5 Posts
| | 05/05/2008 4:00 PM |
| By no means am I trying to dishonor him. The posts I am refering to is the quilified players stealing slots (something like that) and the other one about introing new people to the game.
Maybe I am reading too much into it. If you read the introing topic first and see how he brags about getting some real good minis cheap, then in the stealing slots topic he posts about people stealing slots and accidently(?) made a reference sort of to another member.
But alas, I should leave this alone I am a new guy and dont want to piss you off, I am sorry-I shall carry on else where.
*Edited to say he is also listed as a bad trader! I just noticed that when I was checking someone elses trade habits.
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Gumper
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| | 05/05/2008 4:02 PM |
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