Grim
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482 Posts
    
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 03/08/2005 11:07 PM |
| | Sadly, there is a noted lack of laboratories and months of spare time in the World's Largest Dungeon. The party is primarily going to be limited to what they can find...or pluck from the cold dead fingers of their enemies. While the Warforged is very effective right now, I'm confident things will become more balanced as the base Attack bonuses improve in their enemies. Got to love Dming. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 03/09/2005 1:35 PM |
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Originally posted by Grim
Sadly, there is a noted lack of laboratories and months of spare time in the World's Largest Dungeon. The party is primarily going to be limited to what they can find...or pluck from the cold dead fingers of their enemies. While the Warforged is very effective right now, I'm confident things will become more balanced as the base Attack bonuses improve in their enemies. Got to love Dming.
Well well well. . .
I'll take your word for that. And in the mean time use my newfound crafting ability as the guaruntee that this particular warforged is between me and your next horde of kobolds. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
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2277 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 10:36 AM |
| I was sifting through the old threads and came across this one. What's funny is that B's warforged died a while ago now, and at this point, in order to survive WLD we all have started playing a warforged party. They are a lot of fun, and when everyone has access to the race it gets even more interesting. Especially when cries of "Exterminate, Exterminate" begin.
I realized that what Warforged should have is a few racial levels before they can take class levels, like monster races in savage species. This in my opinion is the way to deal with the "lack of level adjustment" thing. | |
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 1:31 PM |
| | One of the players loves Battlestar Galactica and his warforged is more cylon than anything else....even down to the wum-wum noises of his visor light when making spot checks and targetting his repeating crossbow (held in his forearm). To tell the truth, the warforged lend themselves more to sci-fi gaming than dnd in my mind. Battle-droids and the borg versus any sort of medium golem. "We are the forged. Resistance is futile!" The rogue has shades of Metroid Prime and Star Wars Droideka as he rolls "tumbles" through enemy lines. Working as a unit, they have so far been kicking a$$ and taking names in the WLD. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 05/24/2005 1:51 PM |
| If a player is thinking of them as Cylons and making robot noises and your picturing droidekas when they tumble....Then your really not thinking of them in the correct light.
Warforged only seem Sci-Fi if you make them that way in your own mind.
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Diomedes
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3173 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 2:16 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
If a player is thinking of them as Cylons and making robot noises and your picturing droidekas when they tumble....Then your really not thinking of them in the correct light.
Warforged only seem Sci-Fi if you make them that way in your own mind.
I agree. They're much different from the Borg as they have an individual personality. Heck they have feelings etc. I actually really like the warforged character idea. They're a constructed group of being (i.e. no creator deity) whose sole reason for existing is now gone. A perfect character for existential crises and great for cultural warfare/development. Honestly, I think the way they are depicted is one of the strong points of the setting.
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 3:04 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
If a player is thinking of them as Cylons and making robot noises and your picturing droidekas when they tumble....Then your really not thinking of them in the correct light.
Warforged only seem Sci-Fi if you make them that way in your own mind.
To each our own. I like the race, but certainly see where the other members of my group feel more sci-fi than fantasy, twisted and ev...errr, I mean I know where they are coming from. There is no correct light to view these things in, nor any wrong one. I know a lot of players who hate halflings and leave them out of fantasy worlds others can do the same for warforged. | |
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 4:09 PM |
| | I think that anytime you get into a metallic humanoid situation, people are just going to think droids or robots and thier minds go to those sorts of references from pop culture. Where are they? Sci-fi. I think seeing the warforged in this light is inevitable for my players given the recent Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars exposure. It works for me. YMMV. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 05/24/2005 4:25 PM |
| I think of that big metal guy that guarded the door to the goblin city in Labarinth.
I think of those inventions created by the Gummy Bears or Belles father in Beauty and the beast.
I think of something that Dragonlance gnomes built.
I think fo Big Ben.
I think of the Tin Woodsman from the wizard of oz.
Sci Fi is electrisity and lazers and computers to me.
Gears and cogs and iron arent Sci Fi. Thats just how I see it. | |
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 5:09 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
I think of that big metal guy that guarded the door to the goblin city in Labarinth.
I think of those inventions created by the Gummy Bears or Belles father in Beauty and the beast.
I think of something that Dragonlance gnomes built.
I think fo Big Ben.
I think of the Tin Woodsman from the wizard of oz.
Sci Fi is electrisity and lazers and computers to me.
Gears and cogs and iron arent Sci Fi. Thats just how I see it.
The goblins in that movie also had cannon and machine guns IIRC. Gnome inventions never work and I'd rather not think of the warforged as comic relief (c-3po). "Oh, darn. E-416 has gone and blown his sprockets again, oh bother!" I have no idea what Big Ben is other than a bell in a clock tower in London and if the Tim Woodsman is a warforged, I'm toto. lol. You have officailly ruined The Wizard of Oz for me. (THE GREAT OZ) What do you seek? (TIN MAN) The Meaning of Life (OZ) ....how about a heart instead?
The pictures of warforged we have been shown don't seem to have cogs or gears (at least not in evidence). I think the steamjacks of the Iron Kingdom setting are more in line with what you are picturing. all the art we have seen implies something else. At least to me and my group. And we love it. | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 05/24/2005 6:07 PM |
| Well I pipe in and repeat my Opinion that I think a level adjustment for Warforged is a must.
But I like the idea of an all 'Forged party each with a popular droid background. Hmmmm 1 Cylon, 1 Dalek, 1 Droideka, make one like C-3PO or TWIKI (Buck Roger sidekick) [)] and 1 like Hector the robot from Saturn 3 [sure cheesy movie but I had a gas watching it when I was 8 in the theatre!].
Oh the kind of fun that could be had with a party like this! [}:)]
Yes, yes WF aren't robots but who really gives a rat's @$$ anyway.
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Monsoon28
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2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 05/24/2005 6:10 PM |
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B
Underboss
1189 Posts
| | 05/24/2005 10:45 PM |
| | That's kind of ironic...whenever something goes wrong for the party my WF has the tendency to say "Error! Error!" [:D] | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 7:09 AM |
| | Personally, I liked "This program has performed an illegal operation and will now be shut down." I'm thinking it should be my new battlecry. (I am the "Champion" (think Paladin) in the group) | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12356 Posts
The G Spot
| | 05/25/2005 7:30 AM |
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Originally posted by B
yeah, we've already discussed what will happen if we run into rust monsters.
"Rust monster...........ERROR!....ERROR!......*clank,clank,clank* (sound of warforged running as fast as his cursed metal body can carry him)[:D]
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
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2277 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 8:38 AM |
| | Is it a bad time to point out that our group has also decided that warforged have Maple Syrup running through their veins?[:D] | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 05/25/2005 9:02 AM |
| Err...maple syrup?
I like the idea of warforged and will probably introduce them in a limited way to my Scarred Lands campaign in the near future.
I will have to either get the Ebberon book or MM3 it seems though [:(] | |
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 10:08 AM |
| | I'm not entirely sure where the maple syrup joke came from exactly. Maybe because we are all canadian and we loves our maple syrup. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 1:03 PM |
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Originally posted by Grim
I'm not entirely sure where the maple syrup joke came from exactly. Maybe because we are all canadian and we loves our maple syrup.
Correction: We all live in Canada. As is often pointed out I am not Canadian. In fact i don't even like Maple Syrup.
I think the joke came from when the party was attacked by stirges, we knew they affected the warforged, but knew he had no blood to be drunk, so we figured it had to be something. | |
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Stabmastaarson
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 3:21 PM |
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Originally posted by Siddartha of Suburbia
quote:
Originally posted by Grim
I'm not entirely sure where the maple syrup joke came from exactly. Maybe because we are all canadian and we loves our maple syrup.
Correction: We all live in Canada. As is often pointed out I am not Canadian. In fact i don't even like Maple Syrup.
I think the joke came from when the party was attacked by stirges, we knew they affected the warforged, but knew he had no blood to be drunk, so we figured it had to be something.
Would stirges try to feed off a warforged? I would have to say that the CON damage that stirges deal from loss of blood would not apply. Sure, they might have...fluid, but stirges eat blood, which warforged don't have. Just my two cents, how did you determine they would be affected? I don't have a MM handy at work or I'd look it up.
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
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2277 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 4:00 PM |
| Ultimately, it was decided (after some debate) that while it didn't make perfect sense, and it was debatable that warforged would be attacked by stirges, that we would in fact play it that they would attack and could harm the warforged. the main reason for this was simple. Warforged are immune to most of the rest of the early stages of WLD.
It's not much of a game if you are unaffected by everything. | |
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Stabmastaarson
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442 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 6:30 PM |
| | Ah, it makes sense in context. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6805 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 05/25/2005 6:40 PM |
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Originally posted by Siddartha of Suburbia
Correction: We all live in Canada. As is often pointed out I am not Canadian. In fact i don't even like Maple Syrup.
LOL.
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I think the joke came from when the party was attacked by stirges, we knew they affected the warforged, but knew he had no blood to be drunk, so we figured it had to be something.
Interesting solution.
I have a total of one gaming session of Eberron experience. I like them more than I did before the session. My opinion about warforged is still undecided. They seem to have a robotic feel to them that doesn't seem true to D&D to me. Well, the whole Eberron setting is intentionally designed to be different. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 7:16 PM |
| | Ultimately I like the race, I really do. But I think they should only occur in settings like Eberron, where they were designed to fit in. Adding them elsewhere, without a lot of preparatory backstory, makes them "robots" as opposed to living constructs, composed of steel, of wood and of magic, | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 05/25/2005 7:26 PM |
| Warforged are refreshing, and early on might appear broken. The big talking point in out group when the Eberron campaign began was how seemingly broken artificers were ... "they can do everything". In truth, they need time, and can only do one thing at a time in combat, so they're not broken at all. Put a warforged and artificer together and then you have headaches for setting up appropriate ELs for newbie parties.
Now at L7 the warforged is a well-armored fighter with a bit of DR, until he fronts up to guys with adamantine weapons. Despite it being 'rare', it is not surprising how many big baddies have an adamantine weapon. But it is Eberron, and they're used to taking on warforged.
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 9:05 PM |
| Warforged push teh D&D rules in an odd direction, and do require the GM to think morea bout encoutner design, owing to their unique list of stregths and weaknessess.
That's they're biggest problem IMO. | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
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1384 Posts
| | 05/25/2005 10:31 PM |
| | I'm gonna see if (after I aquire MM3) I can work them into my homebrew. I need MM3 anyway because things like skullcrusher ogres and war trolls are going to be fairly involved as part of my "chaotic evil things becoming NE or LE under the rule of hobgoblins theme" | |
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