Sean-Khan
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/29/2005 8:23 AM |
| | There's often at least one player in every SWRPG group I have ever run who's a combatatant without using the force. Often they can do other things (like fly a stock freighter) as well but not always. Without having to use abilities and levels or what have you to work on the force they can get really good within certain types of attacks. It's usually best to focus on blasters in d20 though. Going toe to toe with a Jedi is not the best idea anyone ever had. Although there are exceptions. | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1362 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 05/29/2005 8:40 AM |
| | The elite trooper prestige class is pretty sweet. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/29/2005 9:22 AM |
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Originally posted by minatoman38
The elite trooper prestige class is pretty sweet.
Which book is that in again? I know I saw it somewhere but can't seem to find it now. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/29/2005 5:32 PM |
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Originally posted by Sean-Khan
I think it's core prestige class.
That might explain it, I never thought to check the main book. D'oh![:P] | |
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Scarecrow
Sergeant
788 Posts
| | 05/29/2005 11:52 PM |
| | I need to remeber to stop posting drunk [:I] What my original question was supposed to be was.... Has anyone played a MELEE fighter type without the lightsaber. There seems to be alot of great feats, and vibro weapons aren't half bad, But they don't get all the extra damage jedi get. Just wondered if anyone had experience in this. | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1362 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 05/30/2005 12:07 AM |
| Posting drunkk...a favored pastime of mine.
I played a force adept talsu who used a quarterstaff. He was pretty formidable but I think a Kedi Guardian of the same level would have beat him pretty thoroughly.
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Originally posted by Scarecrow
I need to remeber to stop posting drunk [:I] What my original question was supposed to be was.... Has anyone played a MELEE fighter type without the lightsaber. There seems to be alot of great feats, and vibro weapons aren't half bad, But they don't get all the extra damage jedi get. Just wondered if anyone had experience in this.
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 05/30/2005 12:27 AM |
| | My regular Living Force group includes a Wookie packing a Vibro-Axe. Soldiers have the advantage of no MAD like a Jedi has, and they can pick up the pilot skill, and other various things that a Jedi can't spare the points on. That' why Wooka flies the Astral Blade, a Citadel Class transport, and my group's personal transport. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/30/2005 6:18 AM |
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Originally posted by minatoman38
I played a force adept talsu who used a quarterstaff. He was pretty formidable but I think a Kedi Guardian of the same level would have beat him pretty thoroughly.
Yeah, gotta watch out for those Kedi, sneaky bunch.
The bonuses with Lightsaber that Jedi get do pretty much make it neccesary for any non-Jedi Melee combatant to devote all his resources to combat in order to compete. | |
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Warlord
11001 Posts
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| | 05/30/2005 5:11 PM |
| | I thought about a Martial Artist bounty hunter character. Starting off as a force sensitive soldier, maybe picking up a couple levels of force adept in addition to the 'hunter prestige class. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 05/30/2005 8:41 PM |
| | Early on, a well made soldier can have a significant advantage in melee against a Jedi. Up until 5th level for the guardian, a vibro-ax does better damage than a lightsaber. Then you factor in a devotion of resources to melee (such as having your highest ability be STR, picking up appropriate feats), and often low level Jedi can fall to well made soldiers of equivalent level. Later, if you want to stay melee competitive, the Dark Side Mauradur and Bounty hunter PrCs can even things up quite a bit. IF you've got some buddies, a soldier/bounty hunter can tear up a Jedi in Melee. The fast progression of sneak attack dice coupled with full base attack and target bonuses make him formidable against even powerful Jedi. Later on though, taking extra attacks at range may be the best course of action, as it can increase your chance of critical hits, one of which, often has the potential to swing any fight. | |
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B
Underboss
1189 Posts
| | 05/30/2005 9:25 PM |
| | After seeing ROTS I don't think I'll ever be able to have another character with a lightsaber. Generally, my characters like keeping their hands [:D] | |
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 12:48 AM |
| | Yeah really. It seems that a pair of mix and match mitts comes with the territory. Wasn't a limb or something cut off in every movie? | |
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Scarecrow
Sergeant
788 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 4:16 AM |
| | So many body parts came off in RoTS, I almost expected Dokoo to come back with a bionic head. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 6:38 AM |
| PM saw Maul lose both legs, or both arms depending how you look at it.
AptC saw Anakin lose an arm, plus Zam Wessel lost an arm before dying.
RotS saw Anakin lose pretty much everything else.
NH only saw wassisface "I have the death penalty..." lose an arm, like Zam just before dying (the morale is don't go out drinking with Obi-Wan, he gets one drink in him and it's all *zzzzz* *woosh* "Aaah my freakin' arm!"
ESB had good ole Luke loosin his hand, and a Wampa losing an arm.
RotJ they go back to cuttin' on Anakin/Vader.
Once it's put that way, most of the cutting is done by Obi-Wan, he's a mean son of a gun. | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 05/31/2005 6:48 AM |
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Originally posted by Sean-Khan
Was there any other limbs than droid ones cut out in PM? Maul got a little bit deeper cut...
Well I guess you could say Maul lost his lower limb. [:O]
Qui-Gon only got some serious acupuncture. | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 05/31/2005 6:51 AM |
| | Hey Sid O' Sub don't forget AotC Jango also loses his head just like Dooku did. [XX(] | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 7:20 AM |
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Originally posted by Monsoon28
Hey Sid O' Sub don't forget AotC Jango also loses his head just like Dooku did. [XX(]
I wasn't counting decapitation personally, because personally I am opposed to SW decapitation.
In Revenge they decapitated Dooku too early in the movie, and in Attack Jango should have gotten more of a fight before getting made a foot shorter.
To get this closer to back on track, I'll pull this back to rpg talk.
In WEG d6 system loosing limbs was pretty commonplace in a lightsaber fight. One of the force powers was called reduce injury, and it basically allowed you to spend a force point to survive when you should instead die, but you had to loose a limb or receive a terrible scarring injury.
I myself have lopped the limbs off characters, or crushed throats providing low raspy voices, or turned hair white or covered them with force lightning burns (never realized that that was what happened to Palp though). And as a player have had the same fate cast upon myself.
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 8:10 AM |
| What I find funny is one reviewer lamenting that though limbs get removed from people regularly, there's no blood.
Maybe he was deliberately ignoring the fact that lightsabers are hot enough to burn through blast doors. Or maybe he's just stupid. | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 05/31/2005 9:47 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Testament
What I find funny is one reviewer lamenting that though limbs get removed from people regularly, there's no blood.
Maybe he was deliberately ignoring the fact that lightsabers are hot enough to burn through blast doors. Or maybe he's just stupid.
Or maybe they are just really young, and don't know any better. [)] | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 9:59 AM |
| | I think after Kill Bill everyone expects spurts of 70s style blood whenever anything gets chopped off. | |
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Scarecrow
Sergeant
788 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 5:22 PM |
| Some reviewers are so funny. Some of my favorite reviews of star wars are the ones that said episode 1 was racist (because of depictions of jar jar binks and Watto), and the review I read recently that said ep. 3 is leftist propaganda. Good stuff.
With reviews like that, no wonder they would look for blood from lightsaber cuts. | |
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 05/31/2005 8:31 PM |
| I can see an arugment regarding Episode 1 being racist, and kind of see the one for Ep 3, but its laughably easy to pierce. Lets not forget how many interpretations have been read into LotR.
I won't elaborate here owing to the no politics rule, but you can e-mail me if you're curious. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 05/31/2005 9:50 PM |
| Well, the current edition has a rule for the loss of limbs, found in the Hero's guide. I don't have the book with me, but it goes something like if you roll a critical threat, and then on your confirming roll, you end up in the critical threat range again, you remove a limb. Then you roll a d6 or something to determine which limb is lost. Head is not an option.
@Sid o' Sub, I completely agree about the decapitations, Jango deserved a much cooler last battle (well, so did Boba), and Count Dooku should have lasted until at least halfway through the movie. Honestly, I'm not sure why General Grevious was even invented. They should have just had Dooku survive and fill Grevious' role. | |
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Underboss
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Scarecrow
Sergeant
788 Posts
| | 06/01/2005 12:47 AM |
| | I was hoping Grievous would have a little more of his Clone Wars coolness. I was soo pumped after seeing those, but was let down when he had such a bogus part in the film. For those who've never seen the Clone Wars, I could see how they might view Grievous as worthless. They should have shown him taking out Jedi. It would have made the battle between him and Obi-wan even more exctiting. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11001 Posts
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| | 06/01/2005 2:32 AM |
| | I was thinking they should have had some other Jedi with Anakin and Obi-One when they boarded the ship. A group of them could have been sent to get Grevious, while the Duo with an extra or two went after Dooku. This would let Dooku show off a bit more, maybe Sith Lightning a Padwan or two. It would also help establish Grevious as a bit more dangerous, him killing some Jedi extras. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 06/01/2005 6:05 AM |
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Originally posted by Aesnath
@Sid o' Sub, I completely agree about the decapitations, Jango deserved a much cooler last battle (well, so did Boba)
Yep, at least with Boba though it was the kind of end that allowed for other interpretations in books and comics. Pretty much all EU stuff agrees that boba survives the Sarlacc. | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 06/01/2005 6:10 AM |
| Yes this would have been nice, I was suprised Christopher Lee agreed to do such a small part for the third film. Hardly worth his talent! They could have easily add only a minutes worth of film, but added so much more value to Grevious.
LoL those comments on Ep3 being leftist propaganda are hilarious! Almost as silly as Ep.1 being Racist! (don't forget the Neimodians being a stereotype of the Japanese.) | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 06/01/2005 7:17 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon28
Yes this would have been nice, I was suprised Christopher Lee agreed to do such a small part for the third film. Hardly worth his talent! They could have easily add only a minutes worth of film, but added so much more value to Grevious.
At least he was in there, he received far better treatment from Lucas than Jackson. I was very frustrated by the normal cut of RotK for pullind Dracamanga from the film.
Perhaps there will be more of him in deleted scenes as well.
Now once again to try to steer this ship back on course.
I have never read these d20 rules for losing limbs, but last time I checked we only had 4, so why is it determined on a d6? Double the chance of losing arms? (In that case what did Obi-Wan roll in Episode III).
Has anyone used these rules? Do they chop limbs of regularly, or is it very rare (like it should be)? | |
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Avatar of Stars
Ghengis Ska
Warrior
334 Posts
| | 06/01/2005 12:50 PM |
| We have actually had a few people play straight up Melee Fighters, one was a Torgarin weilding a Racial Weapon Torgarain Vibro Scimitar, nasty weapon, with about the same Crit range as a saber, but at high levels less overall damage (it caps), and actually a straight up Soldier Martial Artists, who with a few borrowed feats from d20 Modern was actually very deadly...
The Non Energy weapon users were actually the ones who were the biggest threat to the force user in the last fight, the slashing damage from the Vibro blade, and the Bludge from the Fists, couldn't have Disapate energy used on them, he had to suck up that damage.
So he ignored most of the others and took on the Torgarian
We had another using Ellite trooper and a Force pike, too, yeah people play those with out lightsabers. | |
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FeiQwan
Sneak
152 Posts
| | 06/01/2005 2:43 PM |
| We currently only have 2 Jedi in the group (the group only really knowing about one< just that the other is "force sensitive")
The rest of the group is a no force, non lightsaber member
I am a Ranged Weapon Scout
There is a Soldier (obviously ranged weapon)
and a Squib Sneaky Scoundrel that usually just runs from combat and hides but has a pistol...
The game provides weapons against jedi that are very effective
They are not invincible, just takes some finesse, feats and weapons to do it. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 06/01/2005 5:25 PM |
| | I don't really remember the reason for the d6, but I'm pretty sure that it was one. At the moment, I can't seem to find my copy of the book. As for the Clone Wars show, I never really watched much of it. It was very hard to catch the episodes between other shows, so I gave up early on. The marathons alway aired when I was at work, so it didn't quite work out. Grevious, in the film, had probably the worst fight of the movie. He comes out all "I've got four lightsabers and I'm bad," but within a few seconds he's down to three, then two, then none. What occurs after that is one of the lamest cinema chase scenes ever, a droid in a legged wheel pursued by a jedi on a lizard. I can't say I'm too happy with any of that. | |
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 06/01/2005 7:57 PM |
| | I remember reading somwhere that the reason his lost the extra arms so damn fast is because the animators were finding it a real pain to come up with how someone would wield four lightsabers effectively. Apparently any kind of backswing looked impossible, the limbs kept getting tangled, that sort of thing. | |
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Warlord
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| | 06/01/2005 9:46 PM |
| | It looked good enough on the Cartoon Network: Clone Wars. Then again they may have not done full shots of the action, something Lucas could have potentialy done. | |
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 06/02/2005 1:04 AM |
| | Think about how hyperactive EVERYTHING was in Clone Wars though. Heck, any of Genndy Tartarovsky's animation is like that. Wouldn't work in live action. | |
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Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 06/02/2005 1:17 AM |
| | Most of the SW games I've been in tend to have a fair amount of limb lopping when lightsabers are involved. I still think the Martial Artist is a neat character progession to go into, it would make for an interesting stealth assassin. | |
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