Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
    
New York
 | | 07/28/2005 4:25 PM |
| | recovered topic 6623 | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/28/2005 4:25 PM |
| | I think everyone would pick Use Magic Device if this was the rule. | |
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Satsujin Kingyo
Underboss
1247 Posts
| | 07/28/2005 4:37 PM |
| | I was actually thinking of not allowing UMD for this ability... | |
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Korhal_IV
Sergeant
852 Posts
| | 07/28/2005 6:35 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Satsujin Kingyo
I was actually thinking of not allowing UMD for this ability...
Then everyone picks Tumble. Ban that, and Open Lock comes up, or Listen, Spot, Search.
Some skills are inherently better than others. You're going to have to deal with that if you want this to work. Perhaps you should merely allocate a +2 skill bonus instead of always having it as a class skill? This requires you to still invest ranks (Tumble, UMD, Open Lock) to keep it available (or competitive with the opponent's checks), but allows for the flavor you want. | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2129 Posts
| | 07/28/2005 7:13 PM |
| | i think being human has enough advantages already | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 07/28/2005 8:12 PM |
| By no means is Tumble or Use Magic Device assured as the skill they are versatile in. I take it the skill replaces the bonus skill points?
Looks like a fine variant to me.
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 07/28/2005 8:14 PM |
| | Seems balanced, but as a player I prefer the extra skill point, I think. That is more balanced across different classes. With this version, there are some classes that don't stand to gain much from it at all. A rogue or bard pretty much has all the skills he would likely want as class skills. | |
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 07/28/2005 8:23 PM |
| | Yeah, I'd rather have the skill point, but whatever makes you happy. | |
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 07/29/2005 11:21 PM |
| | I like it. | |
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Satsujin Kingyo
Underboss
1247 Posts
| | 08/01/2005 6:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Seems balanced, but as a player I prefer the extra skill point, I think. That is more balanced across different classes. With this version, there are some classes that don't stand to gain much from it at all. A rogue or bard pretty much has all the skills he would likely want as class skills.
True, but consider what does an extra skill point per level do for a Fighter in the long run? Basically, I'm looking for a balanced alternative to the skill points, or as I call them "+2 to intelligence... sorta". | |
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 12:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Korhal_IV
Perhaps you should merely allocate a +2 skill bonus instead of always having it as a class skill?
But then you are just giving them a second first level human feat. Which i suppose, his suggestion is essentially the same.
So, why not just give them two first level human feats? | | | |
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megamadrat
Sneak
126 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 12:26 PM |
| how about something nice and simple:
lose the extra feat and skill points,
+2 Int, -2 Wis
Humans tend to pick things up a little faster, but due to their relatively shorter lifespan to the other major races, they also tend to be a lot more rash.
just a thought. | |
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pakcell
Sneak
163 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 10:29 PM |
| I think you should think about some of prestige class prerequisites - just one more class skill would make it a lot easier to achieve, and that can steer up some balance. Some would qualify for their prestige class one of two levels earlier than they should've, and others would not need to take the second class (ex. 1 level of bard to get some ranks in Perform) to meet the prerequisite.
When the Militia feat from PGtF first came out, it seemed so harmless (giving Martial Weapon Proficiency feat to the militia members of Daleland or so). But that allowed daleland wizards to get access to Eldrich Knight prestige class without taking a warrior class, thus without losing a precious spellcasting level. I think that's why WotC changed the Artist feat, too.
Just giving skill focus feat would not incur this kind of problem, since it does not give actual skill ranks. Or you can consider the Able Learner feat from the Races of Destiny - yes it is darn powerful, but it has some flavors in it.
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/03/2005 4:24 AM |
| That can be very true about rashness.. But then you'd probably see less human Clerics and Druids.
quote:
Originally posted by megamadrat
how about something nice and simple:
lose the extra feat and skill points,
+2 Int, -2 Wis
Humans tend to pick things up a little faster, but due to their relatively shorter lifespan to the other major races, they also tend to be a lot more rash.
just a thought.
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Satsujin Kingyo
Underboss
1247 Posts
| | 08/03/2005 10:35 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by megamadrat
how about something nice and simple:
lose the extra feat and skill points,
+2 Int, -2 Wis
Humans tend to pick things up a little faster, but due to their relatively shorter lifespan to the other major races, they also tend to be a lot more rash.
just a thought.
Hmmm... I kinda like that... but humans are supposed to define "the norm", and that negative to wisdom means a bunch of sub-par human Clerics, Palis, and Druids. | |
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