Kaya Kenobi
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Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/01/2005 11:35 PM |
| Hate's such a strong word. I don't hate ebberon, I merely dislike it a lot.
Why I don't like it, Greyhawk, Gygax's creation, is largely ignored and Eb has the marketing that Christmas gets... Over saturation. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 12:27 AM |
| Big fat NO!
I agree with Kaya Kenobi. I have no interest with Eberron nor do I find warforged appealing in any way. High magic worlds are also not appealing to my style.
Greyhawk all the way and I so wish it didn't get ignored so much. Maybe I should wish for that in the wish thread [)]
You can also count me disliking Forgotten Realms as well, for all the attention it gets. Flanaess baby! [:D] | |
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Oni
Underboss
1131 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 1:10 AM |
| Ebberron I say yea its cool. I have yet to run it or play in it, but I think it will be enjoyable.
And for all you who say Greyhawk does not get the attention it deserves you should worship a dead game like Dark Sun [:(]. At least we are getting a lot of thri-kreen minis. I am praying that they are going to bring it back as a big suprise
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Slapdragon
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268 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 1:12 AM |
| Ebberron is a nice creation, but I have no desire to start from scratch. If I don't play in my own world of Virdea, then I like (well, love) Gygax's Greyhawk. If they released another excellent set like Greyhawk or a new Gaz for RPG pen and paper, and started releasing Greyhawk supplements again, I would be all over it.
Yes, Greyhawk wars was rather lame. So was MegaTraveller. The classics were classic for a reason.
Someday, Greyhawk will return (I hope). I assume that Gygax and Wizards probably have some issues with the terms under which it is produced. Some of us were not even happy when Mordenkainen took over the slot of top wiz and all mention of another, more famous Wizard once played by Gygax was removed. | |
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Iksander
Underboss
1010 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 1:17 AM |
| Bah! Greyhawk is dead!
Eberron is a postule on the wart of a wen, but it has its place.
Now that Iron Heroes is out, with a few minor tweaks, I'll be running Westeros games from now on. Down with magic! | |
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 1:52 AM |
| Yeah, I hate Ebberon too. I love Eberron though. [)]
I have to ask cyderakk, have you actually bothered to look at the book, or have you gone "OH NOES, WARFORGED? ROBOTS IN D&D?" like so many others?
That said, I'm waiting for my copy of Iron Heroes to arrive so I can convert my homebrew over. No more fighter obsolesence here baby! | |
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Slapdragon
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268 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 2:02 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Testament
Yeah, I hate Ebberon too. I love Eberron though. [)]
I have to ask cyderakk, have you actually bothered to look at the book, or have you gone "OH NOES, WARFORGED? ROBOTS IN D&D?" like so many others?
That said, I'm waiting for my copy of Iron Heroes to arrive so I can convert my homebrew over. No more fighter obsolesence here baby!
Warforged is the only think I like about it (well, it is ok, but it supplanted Greyhawk, which is my complaint). My own world had Mechanistos, and the Warforged mean that finally I have figured to represent the things. | |
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Scarecrow
Sergeant
788 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 2:03 AM |
| | Eberron get two thumbs up here. Something different and it's alot of fun. | |
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Iksander
Underboss
1010 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 2:15 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Testament
That said, I'm waiting for my copy of Iron Heroes to arrive so I can convert my homebrew over. No more fighter obsolesence here baby!
Unless you plan to focus your campaigns as being very low magic, I wouldn't recommend a conversion. And when I say low magic, I mean the characters possibly never seeing a magical item in their lifetimes.
The entire system is geared towards not needing magical items. By giving magical items, you're making the characters VERY powerful. As an example, all saves go to +20 by 20th-level. | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 08/02/2005 2:46 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by cyderakk
Hey,
Anyone else hate Ebberron?
Mech's in D&D........LAME!!!Kinda takes the fantasy out of a RPG.
My vote is for HATE!!......Down with Ebberron!!
What do you think???
Wash your mouth out. [:)] They're not mechs, they're living constructs.
Your comment stems from a lack of knowledge of the setting perhaps.
It is a comprehensive setting in which warforged are a small part.
And I don't consider it a high magic campaign setting. If it is supposed to be, then I am one stingy DM.
So in answer to your question, Eberron is full of goodness. I do not hate it. | |
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 3:18 AM |
| I LOVE almost everything about Warforged, and they're one of the main reasons I like Eberron.
Greyhawk, on the other hand, has always left me cold. High Fantasy has been mentioned in this thread; Greyhawk (IMHO) has a lot of the flavor of Thieves' World and similar Low Fantasy to it--perhaps that's what's turning me off.
That having been said, I'm very interested in the (upcoming?) RPG set in the world of Glen Cook's Black Company.
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Slapdragon
Warrior
268 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 3:22 AM |
| Most people who don't like Greyhawk never read the Greyhawk City supplement from the 2e era. It was prehaps the most in depth look at the world (or one section of it).
I used to have a notebook of more than 500 pages of copies of everything written in all of the diverse places about the world, and it was astounding. The problem is, no one ever edited all that stuff into a single whole. Of course, that is a shame, and now that the Living Greyhawk exists it will never happen. But the original Greyhawk of the Gazateer and the City was amazing.
When I want low fantasy of course I head for the original CSoIO. Now that was LOW fantasy, and a lot of fun. | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 3:36 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
Wash your mouth out. [:)] They're not mechs, they're living constructs.
Ah, so they're CYBORGS -- even more high-tech than mere robots.
While I do not hate Eberron, I have no love for it either. I'll stick to Greyhawk, as long as they will allow. | |
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 3:36 AM |
| Oh, I'm well aware of that fact Iksander, and I LOVE IT. Magic Items should be special, after all, someone invested some of their essence into making it, it shouldn't just be lying around. A magic weapon should be something you quest for, not something you yoink of a dead goblin boss.
And skills based magic. What more need be said. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 08/02/2005 4:54 AM |
| I love both Greyhawk and Eberron.
So there! | |
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Wakalimasu
Sergeant
738 Posts
Calgary
| | 08/02/2005 5:06 AM |
| i was reading 5 nations and man eberron is neat
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Kiirnodel
Sergeant
484 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 5:12 AM |
| | I think Greyhawk is ok, I like FR... though some people consider things to be "overdone" in it... I happen to like Ebberon a lot, its new, it has great innovative ideas and lots of new material being made for it [)] | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12440 Posts
The G Spot
| | 08/02/2005 6:56 AM |
| I have no hate for Eberron and one day I'd like to play in an Eberron campaign. I'm not too crazy about elemental powered trains but I thinkWarforged are pretty cool.
Overall, I agree that it's not fair that Greyhawk gets ignored while this setting gets all the press. Also, the concepts of this world are not exactly unique. others on this board have said that Eberron "borrows" from other established settings. | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 08/02/2005 7:52 AM |
| As long as I have "Age of Worms", Greyhawk isn't being ignored.
Actually, I'm also learning a lot about Greyhawk through the Living Greyhawk games I'm running.
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 08/02/2005 7:53 AM |
| Nope don't hate it. Don't really care for Forgotten Relams or Greyhawk though - I'll stick with Scarred Lands, thanks.
Since when are all RPGs fantasy? | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12440 Posts
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| | 08/02/2005 8:26 AM |
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Originally posted by MerricB
As long as I have "Age of Worms", Greyhawk isn't being ignored.
Okay ignored isn't the right word. I'll say Greyhawk isn't as heavily supported as Eberron or FR. | |
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ilarue
Underboss
1259 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 11:09 AM |
| | I've yet to play or DM in Ebberon, but I'm really looking forward to it. I've been starting to get things ready for an upcoming campaign that I'll be running. I like the atmospher that Ebberon seems to present, and hopefully my players will enjoy it too. But then I've only ever played in home-brews before so maybe Greyhawk or FR would be enjoyable too. | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/02/2005 11:18 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
Overall, I agree that it's not fair that Greyhawk gets ignored while this setting gets all the press. Also, the concepts of this world are not exactly unique. others on this board have said that Eberron "borrows" from other established settings.
borrows is weak... It almost plagerizes everything from the societies of Rakshasa, throwing dinosaurs in, action points... Sorry, Ebberon did do a lot of borrowing from everything. However the reason why I dislike it is because of the marketing.. ;) | |
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kyrin
Commander
3168 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 11:19 AM |
| I run my own world, with REAL gods. If someone held my copy of Avengers #9 hostage and forced me to DM in an "established" world, I guess I'd go Greyhawk, like I did in High School. Altho' I guess if one of my group wanted to DM Eberron, I'd give it a go...
So I don't know Eberron well enough to hate it.
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devasque
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874 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 11:26 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
Overall, I agree that it's not fair that Greyhawk gets ignored while this setting gets all the press. Also, the concepts of this world are not exactly unique. others on this board have said that Eberron "borrows" from other established settings.
Overall most worlds borrow something from one or another. There is a reason they said that if you can find in the D&D universe it probably will have a place somewhere in Eberron. Lots of cool elements to make an even better whole. And most of the grumbles here are forgetting one key thing - the DM. They might run a Eberron campaign but tweak some of the things they find distasteful. No different then any game I've run in for the last 20 odd years. Just depends what you want in your game and how the DM spins the truth [)] | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 11:37 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by devasque
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
Overall, I agree that it's not fair that Greyhawk gets ignored while this setting gets all the press. Also, the concepts of this world are not exactly unique. others on this board have said that Eberron "borrows" from other established settings.
Overall most worlds borrow something from one or another. There is a reason they said that if you can find in the D&D universe it probably will have a place somewhere in Eberron. Lots of cool elements to make an even better whole. And most of the grumbles here are forgetting one key thing - the DM. They might run a Eberron campaign but tweak some of the things they find distasteful. No different then any game I've run in for the last 20 odd years. Just depends what you want in your game and how the DM spins the truth [)]
Exactly. I am playing in two Eberron games right now. One we are in teh swamps of Qbarra and weve never seen the trains and only a few warforged. The other is in Sharn itself and we are pulling a train heist right now.. very different games, same world. I know people who hate FR, gunpowder!?!?! thats not fantasy.. flying ships??!?! what is this final fantasy? I know people who hate greyhawk, people who hate psions, people who hate dark sun, spelljammer, ravenloft... Not every system is for everyone. There are tons of other products out there, thats whats great about the OGL USE one of the others. | |
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megamadrat
Sneak
126 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 12:17 PM |
| | just gotta lurve that Ebberon, it not quite as cool as Arcanis but it comes in a fairly close second at least to me. | |
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Malin Lug
Sergeant
742 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 12:36 PM |
| Not a big fan of Ebberon, but it is a really interesting setting. So I appreciate it but really don't like the warforgeed battle mechs. (Call a warforged titan what it is... a mech.)
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Korhal_IV
Sergeant
852 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 12:59 PM |
| | I <3 Eberron. [:X] | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 1:27 PM |
| Cyderakk: I take it your a big fan of some other setting, and your upset because you see your setting fallowing out of favor, and not getting the love that it once did!?
I was there once as well. My advice: Give it up, it's not worth it. Find some friends (in real life or online) who share your enjoyment of what ever setting you like, and revel in it with them.
I spent to much time in teh 90's beating up people who like the Forgotten Realms as I saw Greyhawk get crap, or even worse the cold shoulder.
I haven't played in a world (or DM'd) other than Greyhawk in about 15 years. That said, I've signed up for an Eberron event at GenCon, and I've starting reading up on the setting. THe only thing I've bought is City of Towers (the Novel), and its given me a great flavor for the setting, and what the Warforged are all about.
I'm looking forward to my event!
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Satsujin Kingyo
Underboss
1247 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 1:51 PM |
| Eberron I tried, liked it for awhile, but I have to say that after running a few sessions I dislike the setting. Its not a believable world, and none of the new races appeal to me. Warforged were cool at first but are way over-powered and tend to get boring fast. Lycanthropes are not a seperate race, but a group affected by a disease; you're either a Lycanthrope or not, so I dislike the concept of the Shifter. Doppelgangers are genderless, and assuming they could cross-breed with other species, such instances would be uncommon at best, and certainly not frequent enough to result in the spawning of a new race; so I dislike the concept of the Changeling. I never really got the Kalashtar, and did not like the concept of a "dual-being".
So yes, I am against Eberron (and wish they'd stop taking up so many bloody slots in the miniature sets!). | |
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Captain Harlock
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450 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 1:55 PM |
| I am a neigh-sayer on Ebberon (big surprise there). It steals too much from other campaigns without acknowledging it (Yes, halflings come from tolkein, but at least it was acknowledge...thats the difference between borrowing and plagerizing/stealing.)...and warforged are way overpowered. (If Satsujin says they are overpowered then you can really believe it considering how powerful he likes his characters.)
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Nacre
Sneak
113 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 2:04 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
I know people who hate greyhawk, people who hate psions, people who hate dark sun, spelljammer, ravenloft... Not every system is for everyone.
Those are essentially my feelings on Eberron. It's not for me but that doesn't mean it sucks. Just because I don't like the atmosphere and flavour of Eberron doesn't mean no-one can or will.
It seems like a lot of people are jealous of the attention the new setting is getting. But personally I don't care. The Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, etc. have a wealth of 2E books on them. All of the fluff in those books is still useful for today's games. We really only need a couple of books like Magic of Faerun and/or the Player's Guide to Faerun to update stats.
I will only be upset with Eberron if they don't do another traditional fantasy setting after the Forgotten Realms is buried respectfully. | |
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spikegif
Warlord
5699 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 2:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Kaya Kenobi
However the reason why I dislike it is because of the marketing.. ;)
The marketing is what I too dislike about Eberron. The marketing was why I hated it first. After Game day last year and playing an artificer, and a friend getting the campaign books with a desire to run they, I have changed my option on it. I like Eberron now, but still dislike the marketing. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12440 Posts
The G Spot
| | 08/02/2005 2:19 PM |
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Originally posted by Satsujin Kingyo
So yes, I am against Eberron (and wish they'd stop taking up so many bloody slots in the miniature sets!).
I wish for this as well but it won't happen. Eberron is too popular. We will continue to see Eberron figures. WoTC wants to support the setting and the people who play Eberron want figures for their games. | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 08/02/2005 2:32 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Satsujin Kingyo
So yes, I am against Eberron (and wish they'd stop taking up so many bloody slots in the miniature sets!).
How many is that now? 8? 10? Out of 450+ miniatures. Yeah, they are just overwhelming the 'regular' D&D minis.
Too bad the original poster didn't actually care enough about his thread to post again to it. That's a really poor way to troll ;) | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 08/02/2005 8:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by MerricB
As long as I have "Age of Worms", Greyhawk isn't being ignored.
Okay ignored isn't the right word. I'll say Greyhawk isn't as heavily supported as Eberron or FR.
Mind you, when has Greyhawk ever been heavily supported?
The periods of such are Gygaxian (most adventures were set in Greyhawk, but you'd be lucky to get twelve 32pg adventures in a year - no other source material), and From The Ashes, which so infuriated many fans...
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 8:16 PM |
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Originally posted by spikegif
quote:
Originally posted by Kaya Kenobi
However the reason why I dislike it is because of the marketing.. ;)
The marketing is what I too dislike about Eberron. The marketing was why I hated it first. After Game day last year and playing an artificer, and a friend getting the campaign books with a desire to run they, I have changed my option on it. I like Eberron now, but still dislike the marketing.
Whats wrong with the marketing? Do you mean that its their main support system? or the advertisements annoy you? Im confused by statements about disliking the marketing. | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 08/02/2005 8:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Pale Rider
quote:
Originally posted by Satsujin Kingyo
So yes, I am against Eberron (and wish they'd stop taking up so many bloody slots in the miniature sets!).
How many is that now? 8? 10? Out of 450+ miniatures. Yeah, they are just overwhelming the 'regular' D&D minis.
Too bad the original poster didn't actually care enough about his thread to post again to it. That's a really poor way to troll ;)
Yeah and of those there is what 5 that are hard to use as anything else? (all the warforged and the dolgrim)
Total list of Eberron minis:
Whirling Steel Monk (usuable as others)
Emerald Claw Soldier (usuble as any bandit type)
Sharn Cutthroat (rogues!)
Warforged x5 (these are the most unusable for any campaign)
Longtooth Barbarian (Ive subbed it for halforcs before)
Longtooth Ranger (subs for any dark skinned humanoid)
Bladebearer Hobgoblin (oh no an awesome looking Hobbie with two swords... got no use for that)
Valenar Commander (good looking elf/desert raider etc)
Undying Soldier (great undead)
Im missing a few probably. but thats just off the top of my head. | |
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