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Originally posted by doubtofbuddha

So with the arrival (and my subsequent reading) of Iron Heroes I am putting aside my Arcana Evolved Eberron game to try out the new system.

I saw mentions of a few other people who are planning on putting together a campaign based on Iron Heroes, and I am curious as to what your plans are for this.

Also, for those of you who own the book, what do you particularly like or dislike about the rules system?

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Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
They also have three feat chains that are useful for social character, each one associated with a different sort of social skill (diplomacy, intimidate, and bluff.) Granted the intimidate (Overwhelming Presence) and bluff (Devious Manipulator) feat chains are at least partially combat focused, but you don't have to take the portions of it that are combat focused, and at least some of them help a Charisma-focused character be more useful in any combat that inevitably arises. The diplomacy one (Political Mastermind) is something that any primarily social character is going to want to have, especially with its ability to influence NPCs remotely, and convince them to take actions that are against their interests (this is not particularly easy, of course.)

The charisma-based skills are also more useful in general, with many of the old bardic song abilities rolled into perform, and plenty of new options for what you can do with the skills especially at higher ranks (in exchange for taking appropriate, penalties of course).

And thats just touching on one part of the system. :)

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Originally posted by Iksander

Although I like it a lot and am planning on using it (if I ever manage to get a group together again, sigh), I think there are many flaws in it which need to be worked out. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 1.5 edition out or an 'evolved' edition by next year. Quite frankly, it needs it.

Having said that, it has a lot going for it. I plan to use it to run a game set in Westeros, the setting for George R.R. Martin's 'A Song of Ice and Fire' series.

I'm also going to introduce permanent injuries, infections for wounds, and a few other nasties. Essentially, it's going to be a very deadly old world. People complain about that, but what they don't realize is that it promotes roleplaying over hack'n'slash. Which is ironic considering the Iron Heroes system is geared towards hacking and slashing things.

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Originally posted by Fry
Some of that is in core or near-core 3.5. There are some nasty things you can do with Bluff at higher level in the Epic Level Handbook. For that matter, there's a combat feat that's great with Bluff: Improved Feint. Move action to make an opponent flatfooted is great, especially when you're a thief with lots of sneak attack dice. [:D]

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Originally posted by Iksander

Although I like it a lot and am planning on using it (if I ever manage to get a group together again, sigh), I think there are many flaws in it which need to be worked out. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 1.5 edition out or an 'evolved' edition by next year. Quite frankly, it needs it.

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Originally posted by Iksander

Although I like it a lot and am planning on using it (if I ever manage to get a group together again, sigh), I think there are many flaws in it which need to be worked out. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 1.5 edition out or an 'evolved' edition by next year. Quite frankly, it needs it.

Having said that, it has a lot going for it. I plan to use it to run a game set in Westeros, the setting for George R.R. Martin's 'A Song of Ice and Fire' series.

I'm also going to introduce permanent injuries, infections for wounds, and a few other nasties. Essentially, it's going to be a very deadly old world. People complain about that, but what they don't realize is that it promotes roleplaying over hack'n'slash. Which is ironic considering the Iron Heroes system is geared towards hacking and slashing things.

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Originally posted by CarpBrain

Care to expand on this? I'm planning on picking the book up tomorrow, so I'd like to know what areas people perceive as weaknesses.

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Originally posted by Captain Harlock

I am just curious, do you think it promotes role-playing because it does not break all the social situations down into die rolls or something else?

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Originally posted by Oni

Just wondering what do you plan on doing with you're players in the Westeros. I was thinking of having them be members of the Nights Watch.

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Originally posted by Captain Harlock

You going to do this game online? :-D

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Originally posted by Captain Harlock

You going to do this game online? :-D

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I've thought about it. But I'm not keen on message board games as they're too slow and IRC games are hard to organize given the time differences.

I'm starting up a website devoted to RP'ing in Westeros though and it'll have forums for this. www.dracarys.org (it's far from setup yet... give it a few weeks, I'm still trying to figure out php :scratch head:).

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