DDM Australian Champion 2005
psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
    
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Champion of the Prestige Class where mages focus on telekenesis and start throwing people into the ceiling and uber stuff like that.
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DDM Australian Champion 2005
psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 1:27 AM |
| | That's good news. Hehehe | |
Champion of the Prestige Class where mages focus on telekenesis and start throwing people into the ceiling and uber stuff like that.
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 10/18/2005 1:27 AM |
| I'd forgotten that article (from April 1st, 2001).
Cheers! | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 2:44 AM |
| | Are any news that come out on April's Fool believeable anymore? Specially when they are 3 years old [)] | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 10/18/2005 2:48 AM |
| | I'm hoping it doesn't come out until at least 2011 (hopefully later). | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 10/18/2005 7:20 AM |
| This joke actually gives me hope.
If they were playing acruel joke they would have said 4th edition will be a year or two from the date on the article to get people all upset.
If 2011 was the release date in a joke...Perhaps the REAL 4th edition is even further away? (hope hope) | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 10/18/2005 8:41 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
This joke actually gives me hope.
If they were playing acruel joke they would have said 4th edition will be a year or two from the date on the article to get people all upset.
If 2011 was the release date in a joke...Perhaps the REAL 4th edition is even further away? (hope hope)
What difference would it make? | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 8:50 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Pale Rider
What difference would it make?
How many years between 1E and 2E, and then 2E and 3E and THEN 3E and 3.5E?
see the problem?
As many say (I just started reading 3/3.5) that 3.5 is pretty good and should not be messed with; not this soon anyway. 3.5 should've been 3E anyway, they rushed 3E, hence the "patch". | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 9:11 AM |
| | Constant fear of another new edition has been the primary factor in my having not invested heavily in the new books. I have the core books, and Eberron books, but supplements (that I would like to purchase) like the 'Complete' series, are just not worth it to me b/c I don't know when they will do a new edition. The books are just too expensive to keep replacing all the damn time. | | | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 10/18/2005 9:14 AM |
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What difference would it make?
The difference is in how much longer I would still be getting D&D product, Dragon and Dungeon magazines ect.
Because Im about 90% sure 4th edition is when I quit the hobby. I have to much 3rd edition product to change systems. Id just keep on playing 3rd and would stop putting money in WotC's pockets. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 10/18/2005 9:18 AM |
| | I still think they'll release a 4th edition in around 3 years, optimistically. They are running out of material that people will consistantly buy. A new edition is needed relatively soon, so that re-toolings of the successful books can be released. It's not a fun way to look at things, but I feel that is where they are headed. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 9:27 AM |
| Though I don't have an expansive library of books, I feel the same way as Count Dooku. 2nd Edition lost me. After the first 5 years or so, I just saw ALL the flaws, and found very few redeeming qualities. I don't feel that way about 3.5.
However, I'm only JUST getting my group to move to 3.5 (as old books wear out...). The thought of getting us all moved and up to speed on a new edition is daunting.
What WotC needs to recognize is that 3.0 brought TONS of new people to the game. Those people didn't really need to decide between 2.0 and 3.0. BUT, if they move to soon, they risk what TSR saw with the 10+ game worlds they had, or at the historic issues with Greyhawk.
With a large gamer population playing 3.x, can they expect similar sales of 4.0? Or will they fracture there audience? If 1/2 the people move to 4.0, but they only gain 25% (equivalent) of new players to adopt 4.0, are they really ahead?
I'm certain that the D20 publishers (who if I'm not mistaken...) would be thrilled at a new edition, because they could continue to publish support for 3.x while WotC will try to ignore that market....
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ilarue
Underboss
1259 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 9:29 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sharn Inquisitor
Constant fear of another new edition has been the primary factor in my having not invested heavily in the new books. I have the core books, and Eberron books, but supplements (that I would like to purchase) like the 'Complete' series, are just not worth it to me b/c I don't know when they will do a new edition. The books are just too expensive to keep replacing all the damn time.
I guess it's as good as any reason to not buy books, but to me it just seems like a silly argument. If/when they do switch over to fourth edition will you buy supplements then, or be afraid that they will be releasing 4.27 before too long.
I think I'm with count. I like the 3.5 system and unless 4.0 is something spectacular, I'll just keep playing 3.5 for the foreseeable future. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 9:38 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
I'm certain that the D20 publishers (who if I'm not mistaken...) would be thrilled at a new edition, because they could continue to publish support for 3.x while WotC will try to ignore that market...
I've never bothered to read it but is the OGL something that needs to be renewed with each edition? or every so often? (I seem to recall OGL v1 was 3E then v1.1 3.5E)because if that is the case then they will NOT have the opportunity to keep printing/publishing and developing product.
Anyone know for sure? I am probably grossly mistaken. | |
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yack
Commander
3268 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 10/18/2005 10:17 AM |
| I went from 1st edition too 3.5 . I hated 2nd edition, so i will probably see what the difference is with 4th edition. not sure if I'll change over or not it all depends.I'll just keep playing 3.5 like the Count stated. I have lots of material that will last for all my gaming years.
We are even in talks of going back too 1st edition for memory sake for one campaign. Sometimes all the different PClases take the classic feel out with 3.5 | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 10:43 AM |
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I've never bothered to read it but is the OGL something that needs to be renewed with each edition? or every so often? (I seem to recall OGL v1 was 3E then v1.1 3.5E)because if that is the case then they will NOT have the opportunity to keep printing/publishing and developing product.
Glumag: I'm no expert. The experts are over to enworld (but if someone ready IS an expert, please let us know!). As far as I know, the OGL is NOT REVOCABLE. WotC cannot erase the OGL, and act as if it never existed when they release a 4.0. Could they update the OGL to make 4.0 OGL, and ban people from using the OGL for 3.x? That I'm not as certain of.
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 10:49 AM |
| | I will be happy when 4th edition comes out. I will happily buy the core books, and review the add ons as they come out. 2nd edition greatly improved over 1st edition. 3rd edition greatly improved over 2nd edition, and 3.5 was just enough polishing to make the game wickedly good. They have a great track record going so far, I will trust their decision on when to make a new edition. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 10:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Glumag: I'm no expert. The experts are over to enworld (but if someone ready IS an expert, please let us know!). As far as I know, the OGL is NOT REVOCABLE. WotC cannot erase the OGL, and act as if it never existed when they release a 4.0. Could they update the OGL to make 4.0 OGL, and ban people from using the OGL for 3.x? That I'm not as certain of.
Thanks Pat. I am just wondering, the OGL is a great thing as broadens the market and they make money but with a serious business strategy you can't just give that much away. If you let other publisher still support a product you do not and if the fans do not embrace your new product then you are shooting yourself in the foot.
I am sure someone here knows fo these things and will be able to clarify. I am just very curious as I can't fathom a company leaving themselves so vulnerable. | |
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 11:03 AM |
| | At last....a use for my d30!!!!! | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 11:07 AM |
| Like I said earlier, I'm not expert, but a quick search (limited to sites available to me behind my corporate firewall....), revealed this:
http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/licenses.html
SpecificallY:
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The second requirement means that the license must have a mechanism to ensure that the rights it grants cannot be taken away, either by the original contributor of the material, of the copyright holder of the license text itself, by an action taken on behalf of a 3rd party, or any other process.
Additionally, within the WotC OGL there is the following sentence:
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9. Updating the License: Wizards or its designated Agents may publish updated versions of this License. You may use any authorized version of this License to copy, modify and distribute any Open Game Content originally distributed under any version of this License.
So, WotC can update all they want, but there is nothing to prevent "Game Company X" from publishing 3.0 material under the original OGL in perpetuity.
That said, the OGL does not give you permission to reference D&D or use the D20 Logo (those are different licenses...).
THAT is what makes branding so important. The work of companies like Green Ronin, Necromancer etc to make a brand, or IP, that people will relate to D&D will be important since in the future product produced for them may not be allowed to use the D20 logo.
i.e. if 4.0 comes out, and the OGL isn't updated for it, Necromancer could continue to publish OGL stuff for Monte Cook's Arcana Unearthed, and the Diamond thrown line of supplements. As there is gamer familiarity with these lines, gamers will know that they are "compatible" to a certain extent with standard D&D 3.x
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Temperance
Sergeant
522 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 11:20 AM |
| | Realistically, I think any new edition will introduce a new world like Eberron, and Eberron is just starting! I think 2011 is about right, if not too early. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 11:22 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
So, WotC can update all they want, but there is nothing to prevent "Game Company X" from publishing 3.0 material under the original OGL in perpetuity.
That is great then!quote:
That said, the OGL does not give you permission to reference D&D or use the D20 Logo (those are different licenses...)
Indeed. It reminds me of the Book f Erotic Fantasy publishing tribulations.
At the end is what we know to be compatible and it is good that some new things will still be so if needed be. | |
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 11:48 AM |
| Here is something that I have heard regarding the release of 4.0: it is going to be completely compatible with 3.5 and only requiring a “few” modifications of 3.5 characters to the system.
The word that I heard is that it (4.0) is going to be a classless version. Not sure how it is going to work. But the idea is that each class is going to have points to spend on certain attributes. So like a class feature from 3.5 is going to be X amount of points, then a 4.0 character could just buy that feature. Like I said this is just the talk that I heard. If it is true then it might be a really good thing. Again this is all looking through the rumor mill.
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 12:07 PM |
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Originally posted by griffrat
Here is something that I have heard regarding the release of 4.0: it is going to be completely compatible with 3.5 and only requiring a “few” modifications of 3.5 characters to the system.
The word that I heard is that it (4.0) is going to be a classless version. Not sure how it is going to work. But the idea is that each class is going to have points to spend on certain attributes. So like a class feature from 3.5 is going to be X amount of points, then a 4.0 character could just buy that feature. Like I said this is just the talk that I heard. If it is true then it might be a really good thing. Again this is all looking through the rumor mill.
Are you talking a skill-tree system, similar to what is found in MMORPGS? Random ho-bunk townsman comes along, buys the "fighter related" feats X, Y, Z and then is suddenly a fighter? Then later on buys features A, B, C and is now has the ability to casts 5th lvl arcane spells?
That...that might be neat. | |
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 12:16 PM |
| | Kinda the way WHFRP works. Where you can find someone to teach you something. (again this is going off of some limited knowledge/understanding) I too think that it might be kinda neat. If it is the way the game is moving it would kinda explain the reason for the long time period until release. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 10/18/2005 12:16 PM |
| | The "skill-tree" system sounds like a reasonable successor to the current character generation system. If you'll notice, much of the changes between 3.0 and 3.5 were to make each character class more option oriented, allowing more feat choices. The idea of a completely modular character system will probably work, but, at least in my mind, it sounds like a bit of a chore. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 10/18/2005 1:02 PM |
| | I'm looking forward to 4E by the time I hit forty (I'm 32 now). 3E and 3.5 were both vast improvements on older versions, but there is still a lot of room to clean things up, and WotC is more than aware of it. | |
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KuH
Warrior
293 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 1:13 PM |
| I really like the generic 4.0 idea presented.
There are a lot of 'twists' to handle. However, the basic concept is simple. You have a certain 'currency' - call it 'cp' - for character points. You can use your cp to buy anything you want. For instance, 1 cp can buy 4 skill points, 1 feat, 1 character feat, 1 spell slot, +1 to hit, +1 save, d8 rather than d6 hit points, make two skills favoured skills, etc; 2 cp gains ability to cast arcane spells; 3 cp to increase an ability score ...
Then you use some existing concepts/new ones:
1) Feats need prerequisites: backstab 2d6 requires 1d6; 2nd lvl casting needs 1st
2) Progressive feats can only be taken one per level: backstab 1d6 now, 2d6 next level
3) Feats have synergies: having certain feats makes others cheaper/easier to learn.
Selecting characters could be made straightforward by two things:
1) Use iconic character classes (similar to iconic skill selection now).
2) Group feats in trees or families. A fighter climbs the fighter feat tree and has bonus feats and higher hp. A ranger climbs the fighter feat tree and the nature skills feat tree. A druid climbs the nature skills feat tree and a divine spellcasting feat tree.
I love it. Simple. Elegant. Flexible to create any character you want. Logical ... and well worth creating a 4.0 for. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 1:22 PM |
| Sounds like a system for min/maxing.
Sometimes too many options is a bad thing. It won't be n00b friendly. | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 1:35 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
Sounds like a system for min/maxing.
Sometimes too many options is a bad thing. It won't be n00b friendly.
Which is why it would be good for 4.0 to be backwards compatible with 3.x like griffrat is saying is rumored.
Start a "n00b" out with 3.x and then when they are comfortable enough with that they can flow seemlessly into 4.0 | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 1:37 PM |
| Hrrmm....
TSR tried this with the Character Options at the end of 2.0, didn't they. Everything that I have read about that attempt was that it was utterly broken. Certainly they will have to do a TON of playtesting, and fractionalization of the cost for each step. That is to say, make teh base cost 100 "character points", and tweak from there, so that some will cost more, but some/many will cost less.
i.e. If you make a +1 increase to BAB cost 1 CP, what is the cost of raising someone's Strength? It "could" have the same effect (gaining an additional +1 strength modifier...), or it may have no effect! Likewise, an increase to dexterity to a character with Weapon Finese could have the same effect, but that increase ALSO increase AC and Reflex saving throws.
Thus, you might make BAB cost 100 CP, +1 Strength cost 75, and +1 Dex cost 125.
TONS of playtesting would be needed, and past that, you just KNOW that future expansions wouldn't get the same level of playtesting and would end up being horribly broken.
quote:
It won't be n00b friendly.
it wouldn't be, but it would be easy enough to have a basic version with precalculated classes, and predetermined advancement paths.
Pat E
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 1:54 PM |
| Here is to the thinking that not all things would be created equal. In so much that the increase of, say a BAB, and a skill might cost two totally different amounts of "cp". Just a thought...
Edited, as PatEllis15 said the same thing and I got side tracked at work. coworker: doesn't he relize that this is so much more important than work? [:D] | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 3:00 PM |
| | Still can't stand the power-creeping, moronic 3rd Edition, but if 4th is good, I'll buy in then. Until then, House-ruled 2E will be run (still without the Combat/Tactics and Skills/Powers splatbooks). | |
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 3:40 PM |
| | Power creeping is going to happen in a lot of RPGs. I think that giving players more options and not being restrictive is a good thing. But it all really depends on the game and the people playing... | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 10/18/2005 4:29 PM |
| | Personally I'm holding out for 4.01a. My last foray in was at AD&D, once they took my option to color my own monsters in my book I just wasn't as happy. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 10/18/2005 7:26 PM |
| | It does make me think you'll see alot of Beaters without many skill points. Any class feature that you've ever been "meh" about will officially be avoidable (unless it builds to a better one). I'm not sure if I like that. Getting somewhat rarely used abilities is actually good for most characters. Sure you may not need all those bardic music abilities, but when they're useful, it makes the character that much cooler. Abilities with "fringe" usefulness will probably never be bought, and this will likely lead to a new era in min/maxing. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 10/18/2005 7:48 PM |
| They're not going to do a pure 'point buy' system like GURPS, where you can invest all your 'points' in fighting. It isn't D&D. D&D will never venture too far from the prior edition. They'll make changes, but nothing too overwhelming.
I expect we'll see feats, skills, the same 6 ability scores, hit points, AC, etc ... stay basically the same, with some minor tweaks. I think we'll see things changed along these lines:
1) Damage will be more standardized. All damage will clearly fall into a type of damage. Falling damage will be labelled as bludgeoning damage. Disnitegration damage will be given a type of damage.
2) Power Attack will be reduced in power, perhaps by fixing the cost/benefit and available uses (ie; take a -2 to hit with a 2 handed weapon to add 3 damage (no scaling)).
3) Problematic spells like polymorph will, yet again, be rewritten in an attempt to clarify them.
4) Racial abilities will be adjusted to try to make half-elves and dwarves line up with the other races.
There will likely be a few major changes as well, but I think e'll see less in 4.0 than we did in 3.0 ... | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 10/18/2005 9:52 PM |
| They'll get to 4th ed for sure. The good news is that the material will probably be available in electronic format, and upgrades will be really inexpensive for those who have been loyal 'investors' from past editions.
I just love my electronic D&D stuff. The computer finds things faster than I can, and I'm not wearing out the spine on DMG, MM or Players Manual. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 10/19/2005 11:18 AM |
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They'll get to 4th ed for sure. The good news is that the material will probably be available in electronic format, and upgrades will be really inexpensive for those who have been loyal 'investors' from past editions.
I just love my electronic D&D stuff. The computer finds things faster than I can, and I'm not wearing out the spine on DMG, MM or Players Manual.
You actually a minority there.
Most of us really dont like PDFs over books. Having a full shelf to feel proud of and pooring through the pages of a book is always better then reading off a screen. | |
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