Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
    
Québec
 | | 01/02/2006 12:58 PM |
| I looked in MM's I to III, Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms, Savage Species and my 2nd edition
Monstrous Compendiums 1 to 10. No sign of the Ice Troll. Can someone please enlighten me ? | |
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Wayne
Underboss
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 01/02/2006 1:12 PM |
| | Thanks, I am sure my .PDF dvd is missing that book though :( | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 01/02/2006 1:14 PM |
| | I actually have it, woo hoo ! Thanks again Wayne. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/02/2006 1:41 PM |
| The ice troll is on page 78 of Unapproachable East.
By the way, I sent an email to you. | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2637 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 01/02/2006 1:43 PM |
| | Couldn't you also look at the back of the stat card?? | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/02/2006 2:02 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ShadowLord XT
Couldn't you also look at the back of the stat card??
The problem with the back of the stat card is that they are not always right. Oh, and they don't have the full information, just condensed stuff so you miss the descriptive texts. | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 01/02/2006 4:44 PM |
| quote:
I am sure my .PDF dvd is missing that book though
Snuh? theres a PDF of all the books? link me please | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6809 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/02/2006 4:55 PM |
| | Sir Bozak, if the interest is in playing the ice troll as a PC, I would think the rules in Savage Species would let you adapt this monster. However, I have not looked closely at the Savage Species book to know. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 01/02/2006 6:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ack
quote:
I am sure my .PDF dvd is missing that book though
Snuh? theres a PDF of all the books? link me please
you can download most of the books off limewire, however be aware I'm not sure how legal it is in this age of illegal music and movie downloads.
I prefer to have the hard copy in hand but I can see how expensive that can get. | | | |
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yack
Commander
3268 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 01/02/2006 9:02 PM |
| | I never use the RPG side of a stat card,too much info missing on the card most of the time. Use the book. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/03/2006 2:34 AM |
| | Not legal at all, and we're a small enough hobby that stealing the books really hurts us all in the long run. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 01/03/2006 3:05 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Not legal at all, and we're a small enough hobby that stealing the books really hurts us all in the long run.
Oh I agree! But since limewire is file sharing amoung peers and not for profit I just wasn't sure how legal it was and I know a few people who swear by it so I thought i'd throw it out there. I myself don't do any file sharing mostly because I'm quite paranoid about downloading things from unsecure sites and I don't want the other people to have access to my computer files. Plus as I said before I like having the hard copy in hand at easy access when I'm just laying around or in some forum discussion. | | | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 01/04/2006 2:02 AM |
| Yes, the card is pretty uninformative and I was not able to find the Ice Troll in Savage Species. I will most likely play my Minotaur and my friend a regular Troll. Chaotic Evil, of
course [}:)] | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 01/04/2006 8:56 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Not legal at all, and we're a small enough hobby that stealing the books really hurts us all in the long run.
In Canada file sharing like on Limewire is the legal equivilant of photocopying for personal use
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/19/cria_appeals_p2p/
US law doesn't extend or apply everywhere. | |
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jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 1:45 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Pale Rider
quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Not legal at all, and we're a small enough hobby that stealing the books really hurts us all in the long run.
In Canada file sharing like on Limewire is the legal equivilant of photocopying for personal use
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/19/cria_appeals_p2p/
US law doesn't extend or apply everywhere.
That is good. I still think it is crap that i can't have a digital copy of something i own (or, in the case of DMG and PHB, own twice). [:(] | | | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 2:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Pale Rider
quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Not legal at all, and we're a small enough hobby that stealing the books really hurts us all in the long run.
In Canada file sharing like on Limewire is the legal equivilant of photocopying for personal use
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/19/cria_appeals_p2p/
US law doesn't extend or apply everywhere.
Even in places where it is legal, it is basically taking money out of the pockets of WotC. That's bad for all of us in the long run. | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 01/04/2006 5:30 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Even in places where it is legal, it is basically taking money out of the pockets of WotC. That's bad for all of us in the long run.
So even if I own the book I can't loan it to people? As a person who can;t stand to read things off of a computer screen I don't know if it really takes any money out of WotC pockets (and many would argue of the good/bad ratio there I'm sure). | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/04/2006 6:06 PM |
| | Well, we're going to get into the vagaries of IP law if we go too far with this argument, but suffice to say I think there is a clear difference between loaning someone a physical book and taking the book, converting it into an electronic format, and then freely distributing it on the Internet. | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 2:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jai
quote:
Originally posted by Pale Rider
quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Not legal at all, and we're a small enough hobby that stealing the books really hurts us all in the long run.
In Canada file sharing like on Limewire is the legal equivilant of photocopying for personal use
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/19/cria_appeals_p2p/
US law doesn't extend or apply everywhere.
That is good. I still think it is crap that i can't have a digital copy of something i own (or, in the case of DMG and PHB, own twice). [:(]
Actually even by US law if you own it and have it in hand and can produce it you can own a digital copy, you have already paid for the copyright. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 10:40 AM |
| If I am not mistaking, this server is in the U.S. and WotC people visit here, even if it is legal in your area, openly admitting you do something like that is not too smart.
We sure don't want to get anyone in trouble as I am sure www.maxminis.com does not condone or support that kind of activity. You want to do it do it in the privacy of your home then go for it and if you want to discuss the how to then simply email the person.
My only argument here though is that it really doesn't take money out of anyone's pocket (this applies to all industries) because people who download things like that and don't own the original wouldn't buy the original in the first place if the download wasn't available. So how can you say you lost money on something someone wasn't going to buy. The Industries famous argument about "we are losing money" is bullcrap as they are throwing numbers that do not exist. If that's your theory then theoretically you are losing money on every person in the world that does not buy your product; they are not shopping for it and they could be downloading it, no way to know and it is ridiculous. Fictitious numbers.
People who want to own the merchandise will buy it regardless if it is there for download or not.
I wished publishers would sell their hardcopies with a unique merchandise key attached that way you can create an account to login to their website, enter the unique code (like a game's cd key) and be able to download the original electronic file from them. It would make many very happy, want to charge an extra .25¢ to cover server expenses...go for it, although most books are already overpriced imho [)]
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 01/05/2006 11:38 AM |
| Very overpriced indeed, you should see how much they charge for French books and the stupid
reasoning they responded in an email. They really take us for money producing cows sometimes... | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 2:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
They really take us for money producing cows sometimes...
"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" [:o)] | | | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 2:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glumag
If I am not mistaking, this server is in the U.S. and WotC people visit here, even if it is legal in your area, openly admitting you do something like that is not too smart.
We sure don't want to get anyone in trouble as I am sure www.maxminis.com does not condone or support that kind of activity. You want to do it do it in the privacy of your home then go for it and if you want to discuss the how to then simply email the person.
My only argument here though is that it really doesn't take money out of anyone's pocket (this applies to all industries) because people who download things like that and don't own the original wouldn't buy the original in the first place if the download wasn't available. So how can you say you lost money on something someone wasn't going to buy. The Industries famous argument about "we are losing money" is bullcrap as they are throwing numbers that do not exist. If that's your theory then theoretically you are losing money on every person in the world that does not buy your product; they are not shopping for it and they could be downloading it, no way to know and it is ridiculous. Fictitious numbers.
People who want to own the merchandise will buy it regardless if it is there for download or not.
I wished publishers would sell their hardcopies with a unique merchandise key attached that way you can create an account to login to their website, enter the unique code (like a game's cd key) and be able to download the original electronic file from them. It would make many very happy, want to charge an extra .25¢ to cover server expenses...go for it, although most books are already overpriced imho [)]
While I think it is true that some, or even many, of the people using illegal downloads would not buy the product in the first place, I think you're wrong that all people in that category couldn't or wouldn't buy the products otherwise. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 01/05/2006 2:05 PM |
| | Good one Mordantos. I, for one cannot afford those books, even in english. Plus, they usually sell them in french here :( | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 3:06 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Good one Mordantos. I, for one cannot afford those books, even in english. Plus, they usually sell them in french here :(
There are only three REAL essential things in life:
Food for your family
Clothes for your family
Shelter for your family
Anything else is not something you must have; that includes: cable TV, video games, a computer, miniatures, the latest gadget, etc. and most certainly not a gaming book, be it in French or in English. You can 'obtain' them, and that's your business but you don't HAVE to have it. [)]
I am not busting on people who download stuff...because what you do is your own business...I am just trying to say that whatever your business is that you do, keep it to yourself or in private, specially in a place like this. quote:
Originally posted by IanB
While I think it is true that some, or even many, of the people using illegal downloads would not buy the product in the first place, I think you're wrong that all people in that category couldn't or wouldn't buy the products otherwise.
Of course, there is a random chance that someone would end up buying one, or two or some (even perhaps influenced by the fact that they got the free download and saw the product was indeed worth it, some might even say it could generate sales [)]), but couldn't or wouldn't are not facts or hard numbers, just part of an assumption that they would or could and therefore not part of any real loss. I rather they say "we are assuming we are losing money".
My argument remains that if you REALLY want to own something you WILL go buy it.
You don't go arresting people because they could or would kill someone, or even if they say they would or could, that doesn't hold them accountable even though we are all capable; you only do when they do.
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 01/05/2006 3:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
I think you're wrong that all people in that category couldn't or wouldn't buy the products otherwise.
While I agree that some downloads may have cost potential sales, others generate them.
Several times after reviewing a pdf, I have then sought out the hardcopy for purchase. This is mainly true of smaller press, where you can't get a copy at a local store unless you preorder it...but you don't want to buy it until you have a chance to look it over.
'Course this really doesn't apply to WotC, since I can get them at a steep enough discount and can usually check the final product (as long as it isn't shrinkwrapped) prior to purchase. | | | |
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