Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
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 | | 05/02/2005 7:17 AM |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
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| | That sounds really wrong. I haven't picked up a SW starter yet, and being a SWM noob I may be wrong in saying this, but if as I understand it the 2 fixed rares are only available in the starter, they're really taking advantage of the fact that people will buy it. To not even give you uncommons in it, wrong....so WRONG..... | |
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Sean-Khan
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 05/02/2005 7:24 AM |
| Its not wrong.
It comes with 6 fixed minis.
Grevious and Obi-Wan are rare.
The commons are 2 Super Battle Droids and 2 Clone Troopers.
So you technicly get 4 different sculpts.
It comes with a battle mat that is on hard-board like a board game.
The other side of the board is black so there is not even a blank battle mat of just squares.
It doesnt even come with tiles. | |
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FeiQwan
Sneak
152 Posts
| | 05/02/2005 8:08 AM |
| I think it is worth it the Grievous that comes in the starter is the best one IMHO.
and the map board is kinda neat
I would have preferred random minis, or the presets with another couple of randoms, but alas, no such luck.
Oh well | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/02/2005 8:11 AM |
| | Well I'm looking to pick up my first starter today. So if the only one I can find is this one, I guess this is the one I'll get. Hoping to find a RS though. | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1363 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 05/02/2005 9:52 AM |
| Yeah what Dooku said as well. No tiles. How can this be a miniatures starter set with no tiles?
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 05/02/2005 10:12 AM |
| Lets be honest...every set does not need a starter to go with it...DDM doesnt do that.
So Im thinking since SWM is doin it they are gonna try different things for each set.
The RotS set is being geared to younger audiances. When I went to Celebration 3 WotC had many tables inviting people to sit and learn the game....It was chock full of little kids. It looked no different for the "Learn to play Attackits" table (By the way that area was dangerous. You couldnt walk by without being shot at by plastic missles).
So this is in a big box and it comes with a big durrable board game board and they dont make it complicated by introducing tiles. The RotS starter is for kids....Ya gotta get one though if you want Obi-Wan and Grevious.
PS - The big box the RotS starter comes in is great for storing all the maps, intructions and Ultimate Mission books. So you can look at it as getting a neat carrying case for all your SWM stuff that isnt minis and cards :) | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1363 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 05/02/2005 11:04 AM |
| Aiming this game at kids seems like a misjudgement. Kids will like it but I don't think Kids can really support it.
A complete set typically costs a collector $300ish dollars.
That is pretty far out of most kids price range.
Even comic books know their market and give them what they want. Most comics are read by teens or older so they include a lot of sexy costumes and what not.
The key market here is us. We want a good mix of minis (frankly so will the kids) and a few tiles.
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
Lets be honest...every set does not need a starter to go with it...DDM doesnt do that.
So Im thinking since SWM is doin it they are gonna try different things for each set.
The RotS set is being geared to younger audiances. When I went to Celebration 3 WotC had many tables inviting people to sit and learn the game....It was chock full of little kids. It looked no different for the "Learn to play Attackits" table (By the way that area was dangerous. You couldnt walk by without being shot at by plastic missles).
So this is in a big box and it comes with a big durrable board game board and they dont make it complicated by introducing tiles. The RotS starter is for kids....Ya gotta get one though if you want Obi-Wan and Grevious.
PS - The big box the RotS starter comes in is great for storing all the maps, intructions and Ultimate Mission books. So you can look at it as getting a neat carrying case for all your SWM stuff that isnt minis and cards :)
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11001 Posts
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| | 05/02/2005 3:46 PM |
| I prefer it myself, tiles are my bane.[:(!]
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Originally posted by minatoman38
Yeah what Dooku said as well. No tiles. How can this be a miniatures starter set with no tiles?
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 05/02/2005 5:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by minatoman38
Aiming this game at kids seems like a misjudgement. Kids will like it but I don't think Kids can really support it.
Never underestimate the power of Kids to accquire disposable income [)] They supported Pokemon, Dragonball, Yugioh etc.
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A complete set typically costs a collector $300ish dollars..
But none of the kids at our venue are going complete sets- They are just going for the guys they think are cool and/or fun. Maybe the collector mentality is an 'older kid' thing [?]
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The key market here is us. We want a good mix of minis (frankly so will the kids) and a few tiles.
Well, what WotC was going for here was a true starter, and something that could compete on shelves at retail stores like Walmart- a complete out of the box game, something random minis makes difficult. I do wish they had different sculpts for the SBD or CTs and had included more figures- two 100pt, balanced sauads would have been nice.* And tiles can be confusing (new DDM players have taught me that), so I can understand leaving them out. I just hope WotC puts the Tournament tiles online like they do with DDM.
But the map is _nearly_ worth the price of admission alone (particularly at the discount I get)
Lastly, I gotta echo what Dooku said- The box is great for storage.
* since I ended up getting a second starter, I decided to make two full 100pt demo teams (for new players, interested walkers-by, someone who forgot their squad) With Grevious I just added some battle droids and a BDO and have a viable squad. It is proving a little more difficult with the Republic, since I am limiting myself to only what was is in the starter plus U/Cs, but it really lives up to its title of Starter. | | | |
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Richard II
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3663 Posts
| | 05/02/2005 7:45 PM |
| | *is thinking it's becoming increasingly likely that I'm going to grab me some SWM* | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1363 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 05/02/2005 8:25 PM |
| True but those card games are pretty cheap for individual decks of cards. I used to buy my nephew Yugioh cards all the time and they only cost about $2.00 a booster as opposed to $15 a booster on the shelf in Canada.
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Originally posted by mordantos
[quote]Originally posted by minatoman38
Aiming this game at kids seems like a misjudgement. Kids will like it but I don't think Kids can really support it.
Never underestimate the power of Kids to accquire disposable income [)] They supported Pokemon, Dragonball, Yugioh etc.
At the end of the day. I'm not that upset about the starter. It would have been a lot nicer with a good mix of minis (even a few more commons would have been nice to make a real army) but hey you only need one. | |
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NightMoor
Sergeant
448 Posts
| | 05/03/2005 1:14 AM |
| Actually a lot of non-kid D&D minis grognards (the more serious players) are slowly trickling in to SW minis. The game is on the upswing.
As to the starter - I think it's actually a decent value. Players like me don't need more figures, but we do appreciate a beautiful hard board, a couple of very powerful rares, and a great box for fitting all our figures.
Definitely if you're buying the starter for figures alone it's a bad value though. | |
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/03/2005 6:58 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Richard II
*is thinking it's becoming increasingly likely that I'm going to grab me some SWM*
You might as well do it soon, the lure is irresistable.
You don't know the power of the dark side![:D]
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XAos
Underboss
2403 Posts
London
| | 05/03/2005 7:05 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by FeiQwan
I think it is worth it the Grievous that comes in the starter is the best one IMHO.
Grievous in the starter is probably better than the other 2 in RotS. But he is almost identical to "General Grievous " in CS. The RotS Grievous costs 1pt less but doesn't get a ranged attack.
So unless you want Grievous & Obi-wan for the complete set, the only thing in the RotS starter worth having is the updated rulebook. | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 05/03/2005 1:06 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XAos
Grievous in the starter is probably better than the other 2 in RotS. But he is almost identical to "General Grievous " in CS. The RotS Grievous costs 1pt less but doesn't get a ranged attack.
Almost... but the RotS Starter Grevious' command gives +4 Attack (that stacks with the BDO) in addition to Double Attack, and those droids need every bonus they can get [)]
And the RotS Kenobi gets Lightsaber Assault, which allows you to move and still get the benefit of Double Attack, something very important for a Melee piece... | | | |
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FeiQwan
Sneak
152 Posts
| | 05/03/2005 4:52 PM |
| I stand by my statement LOL
Supreme Commander + droids = good | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11001 Posts
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| | 05/04/2005 1:49 AM |
| Supreme Commander + Lots of droids = realy good. [:D]
I'm going to have to get some more Battle Droids for a 500 point army.
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Originally posted by FeiQwan
I stand by my statement LOL
Supreme Commander + droids = good
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rgrayua
Sergeant
400 Posts
| | 05/04/2005 4:01 PM |
| The set Rares in starters has been true of SWM all along. Like was said, I believe the idea behind this box set was to have a playable game right out of the box (kind of like WK's HeroClix box sets), two pre-set squads. I like the game board type map and the updated rule book is necessary and the box is good for storage of maps, tiles, etc. The starter is not a good value if viewed just for the minis.
A note on tiles, thus far the DCI rules are that tiles will not be used in SWM tournaments, one of the three maps must be used. I saw a post where it was stated that this was/is being considered for D&D Minis due to issues with the tiles. Personally, I like the tiles as it adds another element to the strategy of both games. I don't know if SWM is aimed at kids specifically, but the rules are less complicated than D&D Minis, kind of like HeroClix is to MageKnigh and MechWarrior, but that doesn't mean it's an easier game strategy wise. | |
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Sean-Khan
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Satsujin Kingyo
Underboss
1247 Posts
| | 05/04/2005 5:11 PM |
| | The RoTS starter set in stone my decision to stay out of SWM. SIX figures? Please. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11001 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 05/05/2005 1:00 AM |
| I got it for the mapboard realy, it does seem like too few figures. In the end for me it was worthwhile.
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Originally posted by Satsujin Kingyo
The RoTS starter set in stone my decision to stay out of SWM. SIX figures? Please.
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 05/05/2005 5:00 AM |
| I'm resisting the urge so far, because you get so few minis. Heck, I'm fighting the urge to grab SWM full stop, but the RotS set is soo awesome looking, and Clone Wars rocked, and the starter has Greivous...
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Hero of the Force
Siddartha of Suburbia
Underboss
2277 Posts
| | 05/05/2005 7:11 AM |
| I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that while I will not rush to get the RotS Starter, eventually I will get it. It'll be that day I go to buy a certain type of booster, and there are none in stock but this is. And I'll be ok with that.
Besides, I want the most up to date rulebook.
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Sean-Khan
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 05/05/2005 3:16 PM |
| quote:
Speaking of rulebook, how would you describe the one in RoTS? I guess it's a little larger than the earlier ones. Hardcover? Any extras?
If you put the RS and CS rolubooks side-to-side..you will see they are exactly the same. The illustrated examples just use minis from there respective sets.
The book that comes with the RotS starter is still a soft cover just like the other 2 rulebooks. But this one has a black cover that says "Star Wars Miniature Game Rulebook". Its generic. It mentions every faction in the game "Rebel, Imperial, Republic, Seperatist, New Republic, Yuuzon Vong, Old Republic, Ancient Sith, Fringe". The illustrated examples uses minis from all 3 sets.
And it describes a new terrain. I dont remember the official term but its uneven gound. It slows you down when you move yet it doesnt count as cover. | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 05/05/2005 4:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Siddartha of Suburbia
Besides, I want the most up to date rulebook.
I am just hoping they put the RotS Rulebook up on the WotC SWM page. They still have the Clone Strike one up. | | | |
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rgrayua
Sergeant
400 Posts
| | 05/05/2005 11:05 PM |
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Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
Supreme Commander + Lots of droids = realy good. [:D]
I'm going to have to get some more Battle Droids for a 500 point army.
Yeah, I got rocked by this squad tonight. Granted the army I faced it with wasn't real good, General Kenobi and some Clone Troopers, but those Super Battle Droids hit hard twice with the Supreme Commander.
As for the rulebook, I think the stuff about the different eras is new, and clearly the glossary is updated, Order 66, etc. I'm not sure how different the rest is. It is paperback and has a black cover. | |
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Testament
Underboss
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2723 Posts
| | 05/06/2005 1:08 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
And it describes a new terrain. I dont remember the official term but its uneven gound. It slows you down when you move yet it doesnt count as cover.
Thanks, Dooku! So, now you can use DDM tiles without having to worry about how to handle rough terrain.
Btw, it's 8 am here, I just returned from a 'queuing event' arranged by local teathre, I've got tickets for ROTS 19.5 0:01 [:D][:D][:D] during the night I also saw Constantine and Kingdom of Heaven, great films, especially the first one. And now to the bed, I hope I can get some sleep after a liter of energy drink... | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 05/06/2005 7:12 AM |
| I got my RotS midnight premere tickets a week ago :)
I saw Constantine...really good movie.
Havent seen Kingdom of Heaven yet. | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1363 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 05/06/2005 9:57 AM |
| RoTS isn't coming here until july.
Saw Constantine a week or so back.
Very cool movie. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11001 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 05/06/2005 1:51 PM |
| Lots of Jedi with the Lightsaber sweep and a fair amount of Clone Trooper backup is your best bet. Get in one or two good Lightsaber sweeps and it can be almost over for the Seperatists. Alternativly construct a force of Jawas led by General Veers.[:D]
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Originally posted by rgrayua
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Originally posted by Cthulhufnord
Supreme Commander + Lots of droids = realy good. [:D]
I'm going to have to get some more Battle Droids for a 500 point army.
Yeah, I got rocked by this squad tonight. Granted the army I faced it with wasn't real good, General Kenobi and some Clone Troopers, but those Super Battle Droids hit hard twice with the Supreme Commander.
As for the rulebook, I think the stuff about the different eras is new, and clearly the glossary is updated, Order 66, etc. I'm not sure how different the rest is. It is paperback and has a black cover.
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