mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
    
 | | 08/09/2005 12:59 PM |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 08/09/2005 12:59 PM |
| I like him. I like him alot. [:D]
First, I am really excited that he is only a rare, even if that means I will see him across from me more often [B)]
Stat-wise and Force-wise: Wow [:0]
Dark Armor along with Block/Deflect increases his endurance beyond his 140 HP. Force Whirlwind- 20 damage grenade to deal with swarms or R2-jetpackers. And my favorite: Force Renewal! So you can keep using those Force powers ΖD]
With this Vader on the task, I can see why Tarkin proclaim: "The Jedi are extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe." [}:)]
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 08/10/2005 11:28 AM |
| | Have they made an official clarification as to which characters have lightsabers? Are you just supposed to look for clear plastic swords on the mini, or what? | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 08/10/2005 2:46 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Fry
Have they made an official clarification as to which characters have lightsabers? Are you just supposed to look for clear plastic swords on the mini, or what?
No official ruling until Universe comes out and these lightsaber specific rules go live, but the definition Guy has suggested is two-fold: If the figure has a visible, lit lightsaber or if the figure has a Force Power with "lightsaber" in the name. | | | |
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Shivan Darkeyes
Warrior
266 Posts
| | 08/10/2005 5:26 PM |
| | This piece will be a BEAST with Shocky Palp... | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2723 Posts
| | 08/11/2005 3:29 AM |
| I like it, but I'm afraid of it... It will probably become a metagaming -piece that you'll have to prepare to stop in every game, which isn't easy. What I don't like in charcacters of this high cost is that in normal games they more are the squad than belong to it.
It's strong against Jedi (Block & Hunter), and strong against non-jedi(Armor, Deflect), and has ways to eliminate hordes(whirlwind,sweep,triple,grip). How to beat him, really? He has no weaknesses. Well, he's melee but I don't know how much it matters; With force newal, he can force opponents to come to him. | |
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Shivan Darkeyes
Warrior
266 Posts
| | 08/11/2005 3:41 PM |
| He has a very large weakness... he is 75 points.
Plus units with Force Lightning, Sith Lightning, Force Grip, and other automatic damage abilities will work very well against this piece.
Consider: for 87 points, only 11 more than Vader you can get Shocky Palp out of RS and RotS Vader. These two pieces could easily kill Vader every time while he would have trouble killing one and reducing the other much at all.
Additionally RANGED units are excellent against Vader since he only does 10 damage per turn from ranged- this Vader isn't good until he closes to melee (then he is a beast).
Don't get me wrong this Vader is AWESOME- but he is certainly beatable. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2723 Posts
| | 08/12/2005 4:11 AM |
| You may be right, but still...
Ranged units - vader probably advances in cover. DEF 27 with 50% DR 10 and deflect you'll have loads of difficulties to cause him serious damage. he may still have 5 stormies with him to take some shots.
Another Vader? How long is he going to last against triple -attack at +20 and 30 damage? Taking and AoO from him & possibly blocking it isn't a hard decision to cut Emperor's lightnings & force supply...
Dark Side marauder also looks pretty neat company for him (I just hoped Gonk would have been 3 points so Ewok wouldn't be the only(is it?) choise to fill 3 point gap...)
Dark Side Marauder - imperial 22 - uncommon
90 HP
18 Def
10 attk
20 dmg
Melee attack
force 2
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TravisInferno
Sneak
99 Posts
| | 08/12/2005 11:41 AM |
| | and what i find worse, the only peice of comparible price, Luke, JM cant beat Vader to save his life. Does Star Wars have a ruling that you cant have a single mini be more than 70% of your squad? | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 08/12/2005 2:18 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by TravisInferno
the only peice of comparible price, Luke, JM cant beat Vader to save his life.
Huh?
Luke Skywalker Jedi Master (new republic - 74points)
130 HP
22 Def
16 Att
20 Dmg
Unique
Melee attack
Triple attack
Force 2
Force leap
Force Renewal 1,
Lightsaber Block
Lightsaber deflect
Lightsaber Sweep
Lightsaber Throw
Master Speed
CE - Each ally with a Force rating starts with +1 force
Same attack, same damage as Vader. They both have Melee attack, Triple attack, Force 2, Force Renewal 1, and Lightsaber Block/Deflect/Sweep ("Like father, like son")
Luke has 10 less HP and 1 less Defense. He doesn't have Dark Armor, Jedi Hunter, Force Grip or Force Whirlwind. He does have Lightsaber Throw, Force Leap and Master Speed, as well as a CE that really helps force users.
While I admit that he would be at a disadvantage against Vader in a straight one on one fight (as would any force user against someone with Jedi Hunter), I certainly don't think he "cant beat Vader to save his life." Certainly some of his efficiency goes to his commander effect which will be sweet in 200pt where he can add some followers... | | | |
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