Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
    
Caracas Venezuela
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| | Don´t scare about the tittle [:D] But i arrived here not so long time ago, and i see this forum is almost death (3 or 4 peoples responds in this boards) in comparison to D&DM, i guess that the SWM fever takes a breath but i hope it arises again with COTF, maybe the people that said that SWM will be like this because the long time for the next expansion, were right. What do you think? | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 7:01 PM |
| Do to license re-negotiations last year, there is a loooong break between sets. Universe dropped last Summer, Champions of the Force comes out late this spring. That's a long time to go between sets to feed our addictions. The AT-AT and AT-ST packs offer some relief, but not enough to generate the kind of interest the impending release of a set that changes the game's rules does.
On the upside, the release schedule picks up again shortly, with Bounty Hunters (another huge set!) following shortly after Champions. Now if only D&D got huges every other set... or even just once a year! | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 7:12 PM |
| Also, Maxminis started out as a D&D forum, and I suspect it will remain that way. SWM will never get as many posts here as DDM.
There is still quite a bit of activity on the WotC boards- too much really- signal to noise ration is very small... | | | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 01/30/2006 8:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by mordantos
There is still quite a bit of activity on the WotC boards- too much really- signal to noise ration is very small...
Yes but many people suffering for Clone Strike that is out of print.
Well i hope that COTF come fast... we are at 3 months now to it. | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2130 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 10:22 PM |
| | they need to give more previews at wotc to keep the hype going | |
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Thalaric
Skirmisher
20 Posts
| | 01/30/2006 10:39 PM |
| | I don't mind the lack of support, but I do worry about the lack of a cohesive fan community. The official WotC forums seem to just have bickering, and there aren't many active threads around here and on other forums. If a game is officially dead or not really depends (IMO) on the fan base and community support as opposed to if product is being produced or not. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11004 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 01/31/2006 5:44 AM |
| | Well it does seem to get less coverage and attention on this Board and Wizard's, but I'd hardly call the game dead. I myself know more SWM players in my area than DDM players. A big part of it does have to deal with the gap between sets right now. I realy wish Wizards would start the previews a bit early for Champions of the Force. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 01/31/2006 6:54 AM |
| Actually i do know more SWM players in my country than D&D miniatures, but lets remember the nature of the game is from a good movie (Excellent saga) and people are more collectors and is close to play as curiosity, in D&DM case most players are because they are very fans of d&d and like to expand the hobby.
COTF is more centered in Old republic/sith characters and not that many peoples like or know this Expanded universe stories and characters, i hope i´m wrong about that but here SWM players got dissapeared, and i think that is for the new set delay and because is a strange set for medium level-fans of the saga. | |
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Darthrau
Underboss
2233 Posts
| | 01/31/2006 7:33 AM |
| It will be a wierd set for the "die hard collector" because of it being EU extensive. But them again by starving us Wizards may have ensured themselves a big seller. As oppossed to an ok seller if SWM was coming out full force as last year. I collect both and as others have said my area is a bigger SWM area than DDM. Strangly enough if you look at DDM some of the "new stuff" for WD is SWM related. I can give you three and that's before even seeing the new rule book. Flavor text on the cards(yes it's a small thing but was well recieved by SWM fan's), no speed restriction(SWM never had any), and abilities that cover a whole area instead of a few squares(this started again right in the begininng of SWM and was slightly implemented in UD).
So not only is SWM alright. It's helping to shape DDM's as well. This is one man's theory and could be completely wrong. But then again it sure does sound good doesn't it. ;) | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 01/31/2006 8:39 AM |
| This site is primarily DDM fans...SWM has a forum here but practically no one uses it.
WotC has plenty of people on their SWM boards so Im not concered about the mini line dying.
I wouldnt base the future of SWM on this site by any means. | |
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oldben1
Sneak
70 Posts
| | 01/31/2006 9:37 AM |
| | I hope SWM won't die, I've spent way too much money. There are tons of sites out there, and lots of sales on e-bay. I'm from a small town called Winnipeg (Canada) and we really only have 2 stores that sell singles. When I started looking on the forums I realized there were thousands of people playing, it was a bit of a shock because very few people play here. So my perspective is that the minis will keep flourishing. | |
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mordantos
Underboss
1210 Posts
| | 01/31/2006 2:45 PM |
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Originally posted by oldben1
I hope SWM won't die
I maintain that in this day & age a game can't die until every player of said game does so also. [)]
With the internet to spread rules/scenarios, the easy supply of figures to custom/mod, and fan made maps, even if WotC stopped supporting SWM today those who want to play still could, and devoted fans could carry the game forward.
My example is SWMB (Star Wars Miniature Battles) which survived the bankruptcy of a company and years without figures or movies.
But with that said, I don't think WotC will be dropping SWM anytime soon [:D] | | | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 01/31/2006 7:30 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by mordantos
But with that said, I don't think WotC will be dropping SWM anytime soon [:D]
I heard and unconfirmed rumor that WOTC is about to drop SWRPG D20, and is to focus in SWM, that new makes me sad [:(]
And if star wars minis is over sooner or later, all of us keep a nice collection to future generations to come. I was looking though Huges for the game and i see that they are very limited! and sometime could be limited in miniatures too! how many darth vaders they could bring to us?
I hope the gaming keeps up, and i´m sure SW name make everything inmortal to the fans. [:D]
PD, this topic brings back many people and new ones! [:D] | |
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boba_fouts
Sneak
99 Posts
| | 01/31/2006 11:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Luisjoey
I heard and unconfirmed rumor that WOTC is about to drop SWRPG D20, and is to focus in SWM, that new makes me sad [:(]
I've lost the thread, but WotC isn't going to drop the SWRPG D20. Instead, all future production of that game and the SWTCG have been indefinitively suspended, so that WotC may give the minis its full developemental attention. | |
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Wakalimasu
Sergeant
738 Posts
Calgary
| | 02/01/2006 4:41 AM |
| love swm.. too bad its so much more expensive to collect than ddm on a per set basis
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Darthrau
Underboss
2233 Posts
| | 02/01/2006 5:43 AM |
| | The VR's can bankrupt you. I think it would be alright if they didn't incist on releasing them(DDM and SWM) a month or less apart. Look at this year we get nothing forever then what happens? They are set to release BH a month after WotSQ[:0]. Talk about killing you. I've chosen finishing SWM off before DDM because of my love of Star Wars. LOL I play 50 or more DDM games a month and only play about 5 to 10 SWM games in the same month. | |
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Commander
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 02/01/2006 12:20 PM |
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I've lost the thread, but WotC isn't going to drop the SWRPG D20. Instead, all future production of that game and the SWTCG have been indefinitively suspended, so that WotC may give the minis its full developemental attention.
Right. As I understand it, the WotC lisence only allows for X number of products per year. Thus, they have decided that the CMG market is the place to develop those products, rather than TCG's or RPG's.
Note that the Living Force campaign is ending, and that will be about the last thing that will get official RPG support. I wouldn't be surprised if we see occasional RPG updates, but I suspect the TCG will be shelved for a while.
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Ghengis Ska
Warrior
334 Posts
| | 02/01/2006 12:57 PM |
| It has always been smaller than D&D, Minis wise and RPG.
D&D is "generic" and can be used for a lot of worlds, FR,GrayHawk, Eberron, DL, your homebrew etc and so has about 5x the draw as Star Wars, while many Sci-fi fans may like Star Wars, Star Gate SG1, Star Trek, Firefly/Serenity, Starship Trooper or countless other Settings, most aren't going to want to play an RPG/or Minis games bassed off of all of them, i would never play a ST game, and know a guy running a ST game who would never play SW, but we both like the universes of the two. Both of us would never play the Starship troopers or Judge dreed stuff by Mongoose.
Sci-fi is fractioned along lines of "brand" much more than D&D becuase it and much of the products for it can be very generic to a fantasy setting, while in Sci-Fi it is the little things that if changed make it so the whole flavor of the universe is lost. What would Star Wars be with out the Force, Sith and the Jedi?
Also SW runs the problem of the D6 game of both minis and RPG that never got converted, D&DMinis had less to deal with that, the minis can be used for any D&D game, and they brought in the Chainmail crowd.
You still have people playing SWminiatures Battles by WestEnd games. | |
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11004 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 02/01/2006 6:36 PM |
| | It would be nice to get some Maxminis SWM events going too. I'm planning on being awake for the Champions of the force pre-release to be sure. | |
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LargeMarmot
Sergeant
463 Posts
| | 03/04/2006 11:34 PM |
| | I'll be honest I dropped a few hundred into the game when Rebel Storm came out and as the new triligy sets came out I began to loose interest. When Universe came out I wasnt ready to shell out 20 bucks a booster for terrable huges that I only wanted 4 of anyway. This lull between sets has given me time to start up DnD minis and as of now thats my game of choice. Champions is going to make or break it for me. If it's a good set then I'll be more than happy to buy in, but I doubt it will. This 1000 faction nonsense is getting to me, this is just what got me out of Mechwarrior. Why get exited for the next set when you only want 1/3 of the figures. Sorry about the rant but I dont think I'm the only one who is either going to hop back on with Champions or end up selling our collections this summer. | |
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Engineer
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 03/04/2006 11:51 PM |
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Originally posted by LargeMarmot
This 1000 faction nonsense is getting to me, this is just what got me out of Mechwarrior. Why get exited for the next set when you only want 1/3 of the figures.
Currently there are 7 factions in SWM not 17 something like MW.
If you only wanted a few figures from a set, then buy singles instead of boosters. It has to be cheaper. | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/07/2006 1:12 PM |
| I would not be surprised to see the CCg get shelved for a very long time. The RPG will come back sooner.
As for the minis, the ship game also eats up a slot in the "X" amount of products a year, so if they release that this year, then that is one less minis product for SWM.
I really wish they could some how drop the VR from the distribution. I like the minis, but I've yet to complete a set do to VRs. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11004 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 03/07/2006 4:42 PM |
| | The VR system tends to frustrate me as well. The only fringe benefit we get from them, is that they tend to de-value the R figures somewhat. I've been having some good luck recently on getting some of my missing universe VR, some of the later ones like Maul from CS I'm not holding my breath on.[xx(] | |
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Ghengis Ska
Warrior
334 Posts
| | 03/07/2006 6:35 PM |
| The VR isn't WotC fault, it is all based out of the LFL end. By contract WotC HAS to do the figures a certain way. If Darth vader has 16 different colors on him then they have to reproduce him as close as possible to those 16 colors per their deal with LFL.
The VR developled out of that, the only way they could do some of the figures at all was to push them into a higher costing slot for the production value than what they have with the D&D minis.
Take a look at the D&D game as well as SW, rare (and for SW VR) is not always determined by the Strenght of the minis in the Skirmish, for D&D some times if comes down to the detail, and complexcity of the sculpt. pushing a weaker figure into the Rare over an uncommon (this was shown very well with the Huges in GoL, the nightwalker or what ever it's name wsa a much more powerfull figure than another huge, but becuase it was very easy to make got a more common slot than the other weaker figure). It is more pronounced in SW where they have to recreate a costumed figure and some of these can be crazy on detail. There is something like twice the "deco ops" on a SW common as a D&D common. Most D&D commons are 1-2 colors ofpaint, while the Mon Cal had 5 or 6, the number you see on a Rare in D&D. with the added detial in rares in both games, you soon out price a rare in SW with what has to go into the production, so the VR was created, just to make the fgiures. Which is why some oddball characters end up in the VR range.
D&D isn't restricted by those rules with it's one product and why there are fewer colors in the lower tier D&D than in SW. Just a look at the D&DWotC boards recenly it shows how every one is saying War Drums has only 1-2 colors on the common, a situation you don't get with many SW (barring Stromtroopers that Are only 2 colors), look at a lot of the clones from the Sith set that have 3 colors as a common, a number of colors you see in uncommons in D&D. The VR is there for a reason other than to try to bankrupt people, they have to do it to make the figures at all.
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 03/07/2006 6:49 PM |
| Very nice analisys friend, i think you are 99.9% correct.
VR are more detailed than R, and if you see SW minis brings the less miniatures per booster at a close price to the other games. | |
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LordStorm
Sneak
133 Posts
Columbus Ohio
| | 03/07/2006 8:55 PM |
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I've lost the thread, but WotC isn't going to drop the SWRPG D20. Instead, all future production of that game and the SWTCG have been indefinitively suspended, so that WotC may give the minis its full developemental attention.
This is just the thin excuse for saying that SWRPG is dead. SWRPG is dead, if it can't keep going now then nothing is going to bring it back, its not we're going to see another 3 movies in the next couple of years.
WOTC has all sorts of old stuff that waiting the same way SWRPG is.
indefinitively suspended = dead because, NO product = NO product
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 03/07/2006 11:00 PM |
| | This long time with no new strong merchandise has made a leak in SWM gamers, my local league begins two month before Universe release, and since the release the AT ST was a little relief but not enough, now are little people waiting for COTF that is more for Fans with not common-populars characters, when it arrives i think many people will muster again for playing (i hope) | |
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Ghengis Ska
Warrior
334 Posts
| | 03/08/2006 6:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by LordStorm
This is just the thin excuse for saying that SWRPG is dead. SWRPG is dead, if it can't keep going now then nothing is going to bring it back, its not we're going to see another 3 movies in the next couple of years.
WOTC has all sorts of old stuff that waiting the same way SWRPG is.
indefinitively suspended = dead because, NO product = NO product
Mark
There has been NO announcement that the RPG is "dead", infact there has been a number of statements by people at WotC that it is not dead. There are people in the know that say it is not "dead".
With no full time STAFF at wotc on a SW project other than the minis, and all work beign Done freelance there is no one to do any work. But even with no staff stuff is still being done, they are updating and producting errate for the RPG which is given out for FREE, they have produced Stats for all of the major characters from RotS, they have gone up on the website for free and even been included in a sale product.
While there are no sourcebooks, WotC does know that people want RPG material and are working on trying to tie it with the minis better. The last two products for the minis that were not full sets had RPG material.
There was a period of over 10 years when there was no new movies, after RotJ and before the new movies when Toys, books, RPG products etc were produced and did well. You don't need a movie in the theaters to keep it going people who enjoy the game will play it.
If people play it it's not "Dead", there has been no support for 1st Edition of D&D, Second Edition of D&D, or WED d6 Star Wars... and are "dead" by your standards but loads of people still play them.
I'll continue to play the game as long as i have fun doing it, be it minis or RPG. You Don't NEED 40 sourcebooks to play the game, you only Need 1, many people complain about all of the sourcebooks for D&D, that there are to many. Now people complain their aren't enough for SW. and the RCR can be found.
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zhanteel
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 05/24/2006 1:43 PM |
| I think it's interesting when I read threads like this, because SWM has a commanding amount of marketshare in my area. Right now there are really no places selling DDM singles, but almost every retailer sells SWM singles. Also, the amount of gaming that is taking place is also radically in favor of SWM, with dozens of people at given event, where DDM seems to have problems even starting anything.
I don't know the future of SWM. I think the VR slot and the steady rerelease of core characters can hurt the set to a small degree. I know the VR alone keeps my purchase amounts down, simply because the odds of getting what I want is so much lower.
I think fans of the set are safe in knowing that SWM will continue to be strong for the foreseeable future. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 05/24/2006 3:31 PM |
| Jajaja well now the game is not dead because the new coming of COTF! this would move the fan wave a lot, a new chance to get darth maul or quigon, to see clone commandos in game, an so on!
It is funny that you mark that because my FGLS started with SWM and then go to DDM because i played there the game constantly. | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 8:35 PM |
| | Really Star Wars minis gained it's popularity because of the movies. Now that the movies aren't coming out more, it will be harder for people to play. Our SWM group went from like 10-12 players average to 4-5 average. This huge drop has caused our FLGS to limit the product that they buy. I do think the SW Space Battles will perk up some more player and I will definatly go broke from this game. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 05/26/2006 2:11 AM |
| | But real SW fans are forever! the saga lives 25 year with no real new things but survived a long! | |
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Darthrau
Underboss
2233 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 10:01 AM |
| | I think it petered out alittle because it took so long for CotF. If it is because of "movies" we will be getting both Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon and Star Wars T.V. series next year. The T.V. series is said to be a hundred episodes and Rick McCallum(sp?) has hinted at there being a movie based of the series. | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2130 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 12:49 PM |
| | this set will put it back on the map. especially the kotor pieces | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 05/26/2006 11:27 PM |
| | Well SW has two sets per year, maybe 2 sets after Bounty Hunters we`ll see characters from the tv series. | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 05/30/2006 8:25 PM |
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Originally posted by Darthrau
I think it petered out alittle because it took so long for CotF. If it is because of "movies" we will be getting both Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon and Star Wars T.V. series next year. The T.V. series is said to be a hundred episodes and Rick McCallum(sp?) has hinted at there being a movie based of the series.
Awesome. That will help a little bit. COTF will also be a big deal around here because everyone plays KOTOR and will want HK-47, The Clone Commandos, etc. I just want the Darth Maul and the Sith. Those Crab droids sound cool also. | |
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