Krush
Commander
3783 Posts
    
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Krush
Commander
3783 Posts
| | 08/22/2005 11:50 PM |
| I concur with what has been said here. Communication is the key. Hey that is a quote from my Ref thread, still it is common courtesy to let your trading partner(s) if there is a delay. Of course if you are physicaly able to do so, of course.
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
12367 Posts
The G Spot
| | 08/25/2005 7:05 AM |
| It's common courtesy to email when there will be a delay. I've always tried to do this.
Another peeve of mine is not confirming receipt of a package, but that's another issue. | |
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 08/25/2005 8:10 AM |
| I know that I try and communicate any and all delays. Heck, I try and communicate anything and everything!! Like the rest of the people that have responded to this thread, thus far. Communication is key to haveing good and great trades.
Like, bassman2972 says, you also have to understand life gets in the way. Understanding this still means that a nice little e-mail is always greatly appreciated. It is like my boss says about clients and interoffice e-mails, "Just tell them what is going on. Then it is thier choice to ignore it or not. But if you don't tell them then they are going to get pissed if somethin is mot conveyed."
I feel the same applies here. Tell your trade parnter and there will be much understanding. Delay and then there is going to be some resentment. At lesat that is my take.... | |
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1684 Posts
| | 08/25/2005 11:21 AM |
| | Well said, all of you. Now if everyone would just follow that advice... | |
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 08/25/2005 11:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kestrel.ca
Well said, all of you. Now if everyone would just follow that advice...
I feel/think a main problem is there is a large bank of traders who feel and act with the sentiment of this thread's non-rant side, with great communication.
It is the slim minority that cathces the wrath. There were three trades with Af that had poor communication. They would offer a deal and then never reply, after a about four days of no response I would scratch it out. That to me is the worst, but the topic of hey you want this and then backing out is a grandeous "communication breakdown". Oh well, just makes the good trading partners so much more appealing to do trades with, and there are tons of them out there, and there doesn't appear to be a slowdown in the amount of DDM. So, its on like DONKEY KONG!! [:D] | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 08/25/2005 11:50 AM |
| I agree with the sentiments expressed in this thread.
I must confess that I'm a slightly reformed communicator. In the old days I would respond to 95% of emails, but some offers were just so bad that I'd ignore them. After reading threads like this however, I now respond to absolutely everything within 24 hours.
I was frustrated with some of the communication or lack thereof in Angelfire trading. I encountered several people that would send an offer and then after I replied repeatedly either sporadically respond (i.e. one ambiguous response every 4 or 5 days) or not respond at all. Frustrating.
I would like to add something else to this rant as well: the importance of keeping up to date reference threads. With Angelfire I ran into some people that said "I don't keep a reference thread because no one leaves feedback. I have like 30 completed trades or so though." That smells a little too fishy to me. People do leave feedback if you ask them to. | |
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1684 Posts
| | 08/25/2005 11:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by griffrat
quote:
Originally posted by kestrel.ca
Well said, all of you. Now if everyone would just follow that advice...
I feel/think a main problem is there is a large bank of traders who feel and act with the sentiment of this thread's non-rant side, with great communication.
It is the slim minority that cathces the wrath. There were three trades with Af that had poor communication. They would offer a deal and then never reply, after a about four days of no response I would scratch it out. That to me is the worst, but the topic of hey you want this and then backing out is a grandeous "communication breakdown". Oh well, just makes the good trading partners so much more appealing to do trades with, and there are tons of them out there, and there doesn't appear to be a slowdown in the amount of DDM. So, its on like DONKEY KONG!! [:D]
I agree completely. And I found that this round of trading with Angelfire's release was definitely the worst for failed communication -- I can think of at least 4-5 potential traders who failed to reply, either to an offer, or even partway through negotiations. All I can hope is that they had so many negotiations in progress that they lost track of them. But it still doesn't excuse rude behaviour. It just narrows down my prospective traders list a little for next time. | |
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griffrat
Commander
3506 Posts
| | 08/25/2005 12:15 PM |
| | Very true. I also think new traders were learning that there is a differnce between rares. As a new trader makes an offer for X rare with Y rare (or worse accpets a trade). The same time another trader offers X and Z rares for Y. The trader balks at the first trade. Now to me that is rude and a truer show of character.... | |
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Darkfather
Commander
3464 Posts
Queensland, Australia
| | 08/25/2005 12:44 PM |
| I had 3 'possible trades' where responses were sporadic at best. I kept track of the people myself, and even took the time to email each of them when I had concluded my trades, just in case they stumbled upon our correspondence, and decided to reply.
There were 2 people that I never ended up trading with, but emails were sent to and fro all the same. One of them ended up with the heading 'Chit Chat'.
The three non-responsive's were new (to me) trader's though, so maybe they were just getting their feet wet.
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Iconomancer
bassman2972
Underboss
1675 Posts
The ville IN. AKA Hell on earth
| | 08/25/2005 7:58 PM |
| I think everyone has hit one the meaning of my rant in one way or another. I always try to keep good communication with all my trade partners, and all that I've traded with know my communication style.
I always e-mail the same with everyone I trade with.
After the trade starts its negotiating stage I usually respond within 24 hrs. After the trade is agreed upon and address' are exchanges, I e-mail the day I send with the DC # to them to let them know I sent. Then when I recieve, I e-mail them again and let them know. Then I post that I have recieved and update my Trade thread.
The majority of the people I've traded with have communicated excellently with me, but every now and then someone comes along and seems that after the trade has been agreed upon, that's the end of the communication. If it wasn't for DC, I'd never know if my minis were delivered to them or not.
I just went through this again recently, I think that's why I started this rant/discussion. | |
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WakeXX
Warlord
10147 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 08/26/2005 12:11 AM |
| | Yeah,I hate that as well... | | | |
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Darkfather
Commander
3464 Posts
Queensland, Australia
| | 08/26/2005 12:50 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
Yeah,I hate that as well...
LOL... WakeXX, your a man of many words dude.. hehe
DF
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1684 Posts
| | 08/26/2005 1:12 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Darkfather
quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
Yeah,I hate that as well...
LOL... WakeXX, your a man of many words dude.. hehe
DF
Just never many at the same time... [)] How else do you rack up 3000+ posts?! | |
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Darkfather
Commander
3464 Posts
Queensland, Australia
| | 08/26/2005 1:26 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by kestrel.ca
quote:
Originally posted by Darkfather
quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
Yeah,I hate that as well...
LOL... WakeXX, your a man of many words dude.. hehe
DF
Just never many at the same time... [)] How else do you rack up 3000+ posts?!
Via racking up over 175 trades, and by being around when the 'Stupid Wish' thread was in the General forum section. Oh and by being a member here for quite a while.[:p]
DF
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WakeXX
Warlord
10147 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 08/26/2005 9:00 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Darkfather
quote:
Originally posted by kestrel.ca
quote:
Originally posted by Darkfather
quote:
Originally posted by WakeXX
Yeah,I hate that as well...
LOL... WakeXX, your a man of many words dude.. hehe
DF
Just never many at the same time... [)] How else do you rack up 3000+ posts?!
Via racking up over 175 trades, and by being around when the 'Stupid Wish' thread was in the General forum section. Oh and by being a member here for quite a while.[:p]
DF
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 08/29/2005 8:17 AM |
| | Even an email stating "no change" is helpful, and takes no effort. | |
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Amurayi
Underboss
1471 Posts
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Iconomancer
bassman2972
Underboss
1675 Posts
The ville IN. AKA Hell on earth
| | 11/16/2005 7:14 PM |
| | (Un)happy to see nothing has changed[V][B)]. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/17/2005 2:29 PM |
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I am very new here and so far have had little offers, but I have responded to them
as fast as I could. I can do this at work too, so I have plenty of free time. I will
also say that many "big" traders take a long time to respond, if they ever do and
that makes them look like elitists and that makes me angry. When they do respond,
there is often a mention of how low my offer was or how inept I am at judging value.
They forget I am new and up to two days ago when I looked up my LCD's value, I had
not looked at Zenako's list for more than 30 seconds, seeing how high the prices
were. I looked and saw that some of the rares I have are also worth what seems like
too much to me, but at least I know it goes both ways. I also do hate those that feel
the need to put the prices for each of their rares up ( usually at higher prices than
Zenako's ). I was maybe impolite to two awful trades I was first offered but after I was
"warned" by Zenako, I have changed typing styles and decided to just stick with "No
thanks." if I cannot find a way to make the trade more even by making it bigger.
I noticed this "favour ( only accept ) large trades only" is very harsh for those, like
me that only saw the collecting aspect at first. I still do not like the business size
of it all, but can see how I can be affected by shipping fees and I have the great
disadvantage of being in Quebec and dealing with the pricy and sluggishly slow Canada
Post we here refer to as "Snail Mail" :)
No offense to big traders, but maybe there should be two forums for trades: one for
"huge trades only" and one for "trades of all sizes welcomed" or that users mark their
thread as "Only for large numbers or value" or make a symbol for that, say a $$$ before
the thread specification... Just some rants ( this thread clearly permits it ) and
slight suggestion from a smaller collector.
P.S : In case my post was unclear about that part, I really agree that communication is
the key and most traders, some with huge "porfolios" have been very nice with me :) | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 11/18/2005 12:29 AM |
| Hello, My login is "A Can of the Cave Beer" and I'm a sporadic communicator.
Now, before you guys start booing and hissing me, when I've got a trade going on I'm pretty regular and thorough with all emails and messages. But, inbetween concrete deals, I sometimes go a week without checking this email account. I'm just usually too tired when I actually DO check my email to do much beyond the main 2-3 accounts. The message board accounts usually get an "I'll check tomorrow". Since I don't trade much, it's usually not a big deal.
But, when I do have a deal going on, I'm very thorough. If there's a delay in sending the package, you'd better believe that I'm sending an email as soon as I realize that the Post Office is closed or that I won't be able to make it there in time. Then I'm figuring out when/how I can get the package shipped at the next reasonable time. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/19/2005 10:17 AM |
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Just to report someone took 5 days to email me back on an offer, and it was traded between
that time, is that fair or even legal ? That sure made me very angry... | |
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Zenako
Commander
3469 Posts
| | 11/19/2005 11:57 AM |
| | A few comments about trade size or volume. As was mentioned some traders indicate that they want to do "large trades" since that saves them on postage and hassle. Before you prejudge a trader on that, find out what they mean by large trades. Many of the traders on these boards will be happy to engage in single mini for single mini trades if rares are involved, but it is going to cost you a buck to ship one, or 8 minis, then it makes sense to try to find a fit that works for shipping 8 at a time. For me personally if I am engaged in a large trade for me, then some of the flat rate packs, that charge the same regardless of weight become an option. I recently completed a trade where I am my trade partner both sent well over a 100 minis to each other. I have on occasion sent parcels with over 300 minis in them, but I operate on a trading level beyond the interest of many on these boards. I used to jump into almost every trade thread on the boards that was posted since I had whatever anyone was looking for and could make the trade. I realized at one point that I was essentially acting as a clearing house for minis, like a third party broker. Trade A for B then Trade B for C from another trader and then sometime latter trade C for D from someone else. I was hooked by the art of the trade more than trying to get minis I personally needed for collections or gaming. I also probably jumped on many offers and prevented other traders from having as much "fun" as they might have. I made a concious decision to back off on that activity a bit and be far more selective in my trading activity. For most of 2004 I was averaging around 15 to 20 trades a month! I know I helped a lot of people get what they wanted, but between myself and (he who shall not be named) we conducted a disproportionate share of the trade activity. Mind you, I have not stopped trading (I still have close to 70 in 2005 so far with many behind the scenes and not the result of trading threads or posts), just not at the rate I was in 2004. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/19/2005 1:09 PM |
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So, no comment on what, to me, was very rude behaviour by a "big" trader ( which I will
not name ) ? | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6805 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 11/19/2005 2:14 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
So, no comment on what, to me, was very rude behaviour by a "big" trader ( which I will not name ) ?
Well, one of the reasons that there hasn't been a response yet is that not very many people have read your post. Saturday mornings can be slow on maxminis, as people are busy doing other things.
One reason that I hadn't responded yet is that you did not provide much information about what happened. I didn't know exactly what you were trying to say had happened. Maybe if you provide more details we can try to explain what the generally accepted protocols are in relation to your situation. (Note that it was proper for you to not name the person--at this point, it is good etiquette to talk about the situation without talking about who is involved.) | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/19/2005 2:36 PM |
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I emailed the person 5 days ago, said so on the person's trade thread and received none
until this morning with no comment or opening about my offer, just that the item had been
traded. Should I not have been informed I could offer that specific rare to someone
else ?
The person blocked my trade of said rare for 5 days, just to tell me that the item was
traded, with no thanks for the offer or anything, just item already traded.
This morning, the person relisted the same rare and had not told me so...I have no idea
if A) The person only trades with big traders ( You all know how that sickens me... )
B) The person decided to make no comment on my offer, if it was too long or anything
C) The person is purely impolite and has no manners
And 5 days is much too long...Who cannot agree with this ? I was humiliated. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6805 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 11/19/2005 2:57 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
I emailed the person 5 days ago, said so on the person's trade thread and received none until this morning with no comment or opening about my offer, just that the item had been traded. Should I not have been informed I could offer that specific rare to someone else ?
The person blocked my trade of said rare for 5 days, just to tell me that the item was traded, with no thanks for the offer or anything, just item already traded.
This morning, the person relisted the same rare and had not told me so...I have no idea if
A) The person only trades with big traders ( You all know how that sickens me... )
B) The person decided to make no comment on my offer, if it was too long or anything
C) The person is purely impolite and has no manners
And 5 days is much too long...Who cannot agree with this ? I was humiliated.
NOTE: I am sharing my opinions only here. I didn't check to see what the posted commonly accepted trade practices on the boards are here before responding.
I believe personally that it is the duty of anyone who has an open trade thread to respond within about 24 hours to any posted reply (this is my opinion and not necessarily widespread opinion). 24 may be strict, but within 48 hours should be expected if 24 is not reasonable. Note that if someone doesn't have access to the internet, or will be away, and they have an active trade thread, then they should post on their thread that they will be slow to reply because of such and such reason, but then give a time they will reply by so that people making offers are not left hanging.
Five days is rude--at least the way you have described it. If the true reason why the person did not make the trade with you was because they had traded it to someone else, they should have let you know something like, "Sorry, I am not interested in that offer. I have accepted an offer from someone else."
I know that with my most recent set of trading this past week, I was not patient with several days passing. I think perhaps I should be more specific on my offers--like saying, "Please respond within 24 hours--I will pursue other trades if I don't hear from you quickly. If I still have the pieces I have offered you available and am still looking for what I am asking for, I will likely remain interested in the same trade with you afterwards."
The time issue is more important within a few weeks after the release of a new set because more people are scrambling to get everything they want, and the opportunities are greater.
I believe it is very important to respond within a timely manner on all offers because of the effect that not responding has on others. The response could be:
Accept
Reject and say, "Sorry, not interested..."
Counteroffer
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/19/2005 3:29 PM |
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Thank you Corim, at least I am not alone... | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 11/19/2005 5:36 PM |
| I am relatively new to trading on maxminis,only a month or so and 5 trades, but so far I have dealt with almost everything that has been mentioned here and I don't have a big problem with it.
I have recieved a simple 'offer declined' a few times and if I thought I could do better I would resubmit the trade with a better offer. I have recieved polite 'no thanks' a couple of times and same deal. I have gotten want to mull your offer over with others I have recieved and as long as they do it in a timely manner so as not to tie up my limited trade material I can deal with it.
The only problem I have, and in this I agree with sir bozak, is when I make an offer and never hear back at least not for days I even asked for advise on how long I should wait before recinding the offer and moving on. In this I have heard differing points of view, a couple of friends say 2 days Zenaco advised me to wait a few and don't include the weekend. Right now I give it 5 days if I haven't heard back I recind and move on this may change as I get more experience here. The only thing I worry about is getting a rep for 'recinding' offers. I am not backing out of an offer I'm just tired of waiting and want to move on. And on that note do any of the more experience traders have a better way to end a deal and move on than the recind button and a polite note saying you need to move on.
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Zenako
Commander
3469 Posts
| | 11/19/2005 7:31 PM |
| If you have not heard back on an offer within five days it is perfectably reasonable to consider the offer no longer in force, unless you specifically mentioned how long you would hold the offer open for.
While it does not happen often, emails do sometimes end up not getting to the recipient. This can happen any number of ways. If the computer address is at home, someone else in the house (wife, husband, SO, kids, Augmented Cats?!) could have simply deleted the email. ON a few occasions I have found offers in my spam bin days or weeks later, due to some choice keywords the sender used. That is why I recommend a followup email to the other person simply stating that since you did not get any response you are closing the offer and moving on.
Now if someone opens a trade thread on the forum, they should be prepared to reply in a timely and courteous fashion to all inquiries they receive. On the other hand, many traders sometimes gets offers out of the blue based on H/W list data. While it is not unreasonable to expect the other person to at least reply, as a few posters have indicated, if they are not actively trying to trade, then they may not be checking that email address routinely. I expect that most of us here have set up email addresses for maxminis and trading that are not the same ones your mother, or bank uses to send you emails. I know I have about 5 different ones I could check. Personally I check my email addy used here as often if not more than the others, but that could account for nonresponses.
The only harm, if it can be considered that, by a non-reply is loss of possible trading opportunity for a given asset that you are making available for trading while waiting for closure.
The other thing to do is not to stew about lack of response, but to send an email asking if they got the first one and repeat the offer.
As to people wanting to only trade with "big traders" I suspect that is more due to comfort level of dealing with people with an established track record or ones that they have traded with before personally. Everytime you trade with someone new, there is a certainly level of uncertainty. How did that person treat their minis and cards, will they be carefully packed when shipped, and so on. Things that are not the main components of trading, but affect the overall degree of satisfaction. Just like on EBAY, I no longer bother to bid with certain sellers because I am not completely happen with the way they ship items. The minis available are fine, the prices might be good, but they might insist on shipping in envelopes which risks getting bent minis at the end of the day. Yah, they can usually be fixed, but the buyer should not have to bother do that.
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 11/20/2005 6:07 PM |
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So, at least one of my arguments holds true, and here I quote Zenako:
"The only harm, if it can be considered that, by a non-reply is loss of possible trading opportunity for a given asset that you are making available for trading while waiting for closure"
Plus, I pretty agree with him, except on the fact that "big traders" seem to be above the
usual rules of courtesy since they are "bigshots" and that really makes me angry. If you
only want to trade "big", say so in your thread or if some of my earlier suggestions to
label these were inplemented, that would work. Many seemed to like these simply to apply
details. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2711 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 11/21/2005 10:33 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted ny Sir Bozak The Damned:
So, at least one of my arguments holds true, and here I quote Zenako:
"The only harm, if it can be considered that, by a non-reply is loss of possible trading opportunity for a given asset that you are making available for trading while waiting for closure"
Plus, I pretty agree with him, except on the fact that "big traders" seem to be above the
usual rules of courtesy since they are "bigshots" and that really makes me angry. If you
only want to trade "big", say so in your thread or if some of my earlier suggestions to
label these were inplemented, that would work. Many seemed to like these simply to apply
details.
I don't agree with you entirely. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by big shots. There are people who are high volume posters, and there are people who are high volume traders, and of course people who are both. I'm assuming by 'big shots' you mean the third group. I don't think it's a case of the rules working differently for those people. I think it's a case of people that have shown themselves over a lengthy period of time to be contibuting members and quality traders being given a little slack. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I actually find the 'elitism' on these boards to be almost nonexistant, as opposed to a lot of other boards where it's rampant. It's the exact reason why I stayed around once I found this place.
As to people who only prefer to do big trades, I think most people do make mention of that in their trade threads. It sometimes pushes me away from making offers because I actually prefer smaller trades. No big deal, it's their prerogative to trade as they see fit. I think the reason some traders do this is because if they have thousands and thousands of minis it's not worth their time and energy to do small trades. Others do it because they're international traders and are trying to get the most bang for their buck. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
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Most ??? You would be surprised by how few specify the big-trades only-you-are-
wasting-my-time exist. Also, I was referring to high volume traders-only. This is
why I kindly proposed they renamed their trades or there be a dollar sign next to
those to avoid some of their completely impolite and snide remarks. Plus, the "slack"
You mention should not be a deterrant/handicap for new traders, there comes the elitism.
P.S: I am surprised even one person agreed with me... And this IS a rant topic. | |
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nyjastul69
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| | 11/21/2005 1:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned:
Plus, the "slack"
You mention should not be a deterrant/handicap for new traders, there comes the elitism
I don't think I used the best term I could have. If somebody has been around for a while as a contibuting member I think that other members may be less inclined to point out improper ettiquette. With a newer member I think people will be more inclined to do this so that the newer member can understand what is good vs. bad ettiquette at a particular place. What do you feel is a deterrant/handicap for new members here? | |
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Pretty much everything, especially the long email response times to tell you that:
"I already have a best offer or agreed with someone else" ( that is code for: you are a
new seller and can only deal small...go ask your own kin...) plus they deny your right
to a counter-offer. | |
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nyjastul69
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| | 11/21/2005 1:51 PM |
| | I would say your doing pretty well. you've been here less than 2 weeks and your working on 7 trades. Are these negotiations or pendings? | |
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| | 11/21/2005 2:16 PM |
| What does that have to do with anything ? Yes, I was polite to those that were
and whose demands were reasonable and did not try to cheat me because I was new.
I still had to send first and could end up being scammed, just as you could. If
I would approximate, I would say about half of the sellers responded in a timely
manner, two-thirds were polite. Among the half of slow responders, more than half
never contacted me. And three-quarters of the late ones treated me poorly. I may
be a new trader, but I also go by karma, you are polite,reasonable with me, even if
you turn me down and I will. You treat me like dirt for whatever reason, I do the
same and do not mince words. Once I get references, you will be able to judge by
yourself.
But, for now, I have to bide my time being labelled a n00b and not expected to know
how much pieces are worth and being ignored and insulted by some "bigshots". After
that, I hope I will be able to stop being so defensive and enjoy this fascinating
new way of collecting, like veterans do. Non-sellers are usually very nice on the
boards, some very picky about typing, but I have that happened before, on a
teenager website and even they left me the spacing. I hope I am not making a bad
impression, I am just still very weary of traders... | |
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nyjastul69
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| | 11/21/2005 4:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned:
What does that have to do with anything ?
I was just curious, that's all. No need to get offended. I meant nithing ill.
quote:
Originally posted by SBTD
did not try to cheat me because I was new.
If someone has attempted to scam you should let someone know, that's a serious offense here.
quote:
Originally posted by SBTD:
I still had to send first and could end up being scammed
Sending first does definitely does suck, but it's something we've all had to do. I sent first on my first 10 trades or there abouts. If you stick with traders with a good reputation you probably won't be scammed. However there is no way to guarantee that you'll never be scammed. All we can do is minimize the chance. I've traded 68 times and have never been scammed. I've had one close call.
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| | 11/21/2005 4:58 PM |
| quote:
Sending first does definitely does suck, but it's something we've all had to do. I sent first on my first 10 trades or there abouts. If you stick with traders with a good reputation you probably won't be scammed. However there is no way to guarantee that you'll never be scammed. All we can do is minimize the chance. I've traded 68 times and have never been scammed. I've had one close call.
I totally agree with this. In my 170 trades, I've never been scammed because i started off trading with veterans here to build my rep. Then after that I traded alot with NEWBES to help them get their reps started too. I play it safe alot by trading repeatidly with the same people. My 170 trades has only been with 84 different people.
quote:
Originally posted by SBTD
did not try to cheat me because I was new.
If someone has attempted to scam you should let someone know, that's a serious offense here.
Again, I agree. Most of the people here I would hope wouldn't try to scam a new person on here.
As for some traders wanting only large trades, that's their right to do so, but they should never be rude if they get a small offer if they don't state they only want larger deals. There are plenty of us that will do small trades (even international ones), just because we love to trade to get things we need. There's been plenty of times I've made international trades and only send one or two minis. I've even just sent one mini as far as Israel(this one was just an uncommon) and the Philippines.
Keep the faith SBTD. You'll build your rep soon enough. Just ignore those that would be rude in their responses and remember to never deal with them again.[)] | |
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| | 11/21/2005 6:11 PM |
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Thanks, I will. I finally have a completed trade !!! And one person has offered to send me
first and I am currently waiting on my end :)
P.S: Can I be one of the "NEWBES" you help ? I have a rather complete H/W list I update
daily, if I have a chance. | |
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