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05/13/2006 3:46 PM  
Title says it all? (one thread for each qual today)

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05/13/2006 9:29 PM  
I love the TO guys, but, I have money on the northern invaders....
Can't wait to see what happened.



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05/14/2006 2:50 AM  
The Montreal guys were very tough. I belive Phrank was undefeated going into the finals. I had a long drive back to the US so I didn't watch the top 4 play but I suspect he placed first.


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05/14/2006 2:57 AM  
Speculative congrats, then, Phrank!

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05/14/2006 2:59 AM  
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Speculative congrats, then, Phrank!

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I ditto it.

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05/14/2006 3:54 AM  
Phrank was defeated in the first round of the playoff[:(]

For my part i finished 5th. Torazin 8th, Badcleric 9th and Jean-Sebastien 17th. For me it's 24 hours without sleeping now, so i'll get some.[:)]

Too tired to continue, sorry, more tomorrow from phrank or me.

Congrats to the winner ! (who is ?)


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05/14/2006 7:30 AM  
I finshed 11th at 3-3. [:(]

I do not have time for full report now, but here are some of what I remember:

There were 23 players.

1) At least x5 Marut warbands
2) Lots of LE warbands (multi Chraal & HH)
3) 2 duel HGB warband's, one with Drow Sgt, other with Tiefling(?)
4) 2 Other quad CE warbands I beleive
5) CE LRD & ZWD I believe was in final 4
6) Duel Wartroll was in final 4

Please correct if I am off and or add to this.

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05/14/2006 1:05 PM  
3-3 here as well

I played

Orc Champ x 4
Orc Wardrummer
Tiefling Captain
Hyena

My wins were versus a Marut warband on Drow Outpost, a LE Quad on Dragon Shrine and against another CE Quad (Ryld, EoG, OC x 2)

My losses were to Chralls with Gauth in the Dungeon of Blood, a LE with one Chrall, two helmed horrors, a blackguard on the Kings Road, and to the dual War Trolls

Highlights for me(or lowlights) were: In Defeating the Marut I needed and rolled an 19 followed up by another 19 (needed a 14) for the win. In the forest I failed to hit the Blackguard for like 5 or 6 consective rounds (only needed 11's!!), and missed 6 consective attacks on Urthok (commander for the two Wartrolls)

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05/14/2006 1:06 PM  
I'm really interested in seeing all of what was played and especially the dual War Troll build. I've played one a couple times but it hasn't impressed me much.

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05/14/2006 1:45 PM  
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Originally posted by labete

Phrank was defeated in the first round of the playoff[:(]

For my part i finished 5th. Torazin 8th, Badcleric 9th and Jean-Sebastien 17th. For me it's 24 hours without sleeping now, so i'll get some.[:)]

Too tired to continue, sorry, more tomorrow from phrank or me.

Congrats to the winner ! (who is ?)





Well that was unexpected. He lost to the 2x War Troll then?

I finished 6th.

I played

Human Blackguard
Kobold Sorcerer
Chrall
2x Helmed Horror
3x Kobold Miner
Map: King's Road

I went 4-2.
My first lost was to Phrank in round 3. Then I had to play Sirohk on round 5 (I think it's part 3 section 14 article 2 of the DCI rulebook that if you bring someone to a tournament you must play against them. [)]) and lost to him as well.

I'll be writing up a full report later today.


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05/14/2006 4:39 PM  
7th here, 4-2.

Played Marut, Couatl, Bodyguard, Cleric of Order, Standardbearer, Mialee, Jozan, Scout on the King's Road..

My best recollection of the rounds:
1: W vs CE HGB x2, BCoE, 3x Human Bandit; King's Road
2: W vs Marut, Couatl, WFBg, Sac W, CoY, 2x TW, StB; Drow Outpost
3: L vs LE 3x Chraal, Zak, HBg, Kobold M, 2x TW; Fane of Lolth
4: L vs LG Marut, Couatl, 2x Sacred Watcher, CoO, 2x TW, Aramil; King's Road
5: W vs CE LRD, ZWD, OR, OD, Orc Ber, Hyena; Field of Ruin
6: W vs LE DC x2, Zak, HH, Urthok, 2x TW, Myconid; King's Road

Not sure of opponents' names. Anyone have the full playoff information? I believe the regular 401/DG contingent did well. I agree, the Montreal players were very, very skilled. My opponent in round 3 especially...


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05/14/2006 8:49 PM  
top4:
1st place: Mark

Rikka
2x Justice Archon
Couatl
Cleric of Order
2x Sacred Watcher
Man at Arms
Map: Mithril Mines

2nd place: Raf Brusilow (Nightmoor)

Urthok
Dark Moon Monk
2x War Troll
2x Timber Wolf
Kobold Miner
Map: Dragon Shrine

3rd place: Francis Delisle (Phrank)

Marut
Couatl
Cleric of Order
Standard Bearer
2x Sacred Watcher
Mialee
Warforged Scout
Map: Drow Outpost

4th place: Shiu-Yik Au (yik)

Human Blackguard
3x Chraal
Gauth
3x Kobold Miner
Map: Dungeon of Blood

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05/14/2006 8:57 PM  
Interesting that Duel WTs took 2nd. How was the competition Phrank? Skilled or not so skilled? What were the final records of the top 4.

Congrates on qualifing BTW.

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05/14/2006 11:01 PM  
I've played Nightmoor online (though long ago), and he was quite skilled at that time. I can't imagine he's gotten any worse.
Nice build.
So, dual wartrolls works, huh?....


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05/14/2006 11:03 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Tried

I've played Nightmoor online (though long ago), and he was quite skilled at that time. I can't imagine he's gotten any worse.
Nice build.
So, dual wartrolls works, huh?....


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05/15/2006 11:14 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Tried

I've played Nightmoor online (though long ago), and he was quite skilled at that time. I can't imagine he's gotten any worse.



He's really good, no doubt !

On another subject, I placed 5th, my tie-braker was 56.6667 Nightmoor who placed 4th had a 59.4444 tie-braker. I wonder if i could have made top 4 if my 4th round opponent hadn't drop.


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05/15/2006 11:17 AM  
Yeah, I was pretty impressed when I faced him on VASSAL before the Championship. I am glad he was able to qualify. Even if it was with dual War Trolls. [)]

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05/15/2006 12:02 PM  
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Originally posted by Raland

I played

Orc Champ x 4
Orc Wardrummer
Tiefling Captain
Hyena

My wins were versus a Marut warband on Drow Outpost, a LE Quad on Dragon Shrine and against another CE Quad (Ryld, EoG, OC x 2)


That would be me. That was a quick, brutal match. I've never been a fan of (near) mirror-matches like that - they never seem as exciting as others - by that detracts nothing from Raland's victory. He played well and deserved the win.

I'd have given anything to have had my Orc Wardrummer in play, though (I let Shana, my wife, use it) as half my band routed off the board in a single round! Morale checks are the bane fo my DDM existence!

Congrats Raland, 3-3 is no small feat when the best in the nation are playing. [:)]

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05/15/2006 12:05 PM  
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Originally posted by Phrank

2nd place: Raf Brusilow (Nightmoor)


Wait, Raf is Nightmoor? How the hell did I not realize that? Silly rabbit...

I've played Raf and Yik many times and they are two of the best, quite possibly the best, in the city. In the past have beaten Yik (and Raf IIRC) but they have put a lot more time and effort in since then, and both are very skilled on top of it. Congrats to both, and to everyone else who showed.

PS - So Raf and Yik, which one of you guys wants to be a pal and bring me back some promo minis from GenCon? [)]

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05/15/2006 1:35 PM  
Very interesting top 4 bands. I'm continuing to be impressed by 1) the variety, and 2) the fact that my Helmed Horror prediction seems to be somewhere in my septic tank.

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05/15/2006 2:11 PM  
When you think about it dual War Trolls magic weaponed can kill quite a few concepts out there. Marut goes down in two rounds without much effort at all. I'm of course shocked that the Justice Archons could hit them though. Even with flank +12/+7 takes some good rolls. Lucky dice sometimes makes all the difference. Anyway I agree with Dave the variety of winning warbands is pretty varied so far this qualifier season. I think that's good because it means that we have more possibilities and a balanced game overall.

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05/15/2006 4:10 PM  
I'm really interested in the dual war troll band. I've been toying with something quite similar, I think I'll try this version out.

Thanks for the report and inspiration!

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05/15/2006 5:13 PM  
Greetings guys, thanks to all the great and sportsmanlike players that showed up to the Toronto qualifier - especially our DDM brothers from Quebec - it was a fun, hard-fought tournament!

I took the dual War Trolls solely because I expected to face plenty of Marut bands without a bodyguard, and I believed that two boosted Trolls could kill the big guy. It worked, but I the day was still very tough due to the fact the 25-magic damage Trolls are hardly stellar against cheap, efficient hitters like Justice Archons and Duergars.

The Trolls also have several great qualities: - they take 4 hits from a Marut to kill; they only take 3 hits to kill a Marut; even if one dies, it's cheaper than a Marut so when the second one inevitably kills the big guy you're still on top; they take 5 hits from a CE beater to kill as long as you activate only once in between attacks; they are almost as hard to hit as Marut and regenerate; they seldom flee, and if they do it's often a good thing since they regenerate and are likely to rally; they have excellent ranged attacks that make a huge impact against any Chaotic bands (hitting Orc Champs from afar a coupla times is key in that matchup); and, of course, they are tre cool ;-).

Their bad qualities are rather obvious: slow, low damage per point paid, and eggs-in-one-basket problem against things like crits/stuns/paralysis/running off the board. Their hitpoints are also only average (though they of course look like hit-point monsters compared to Marut).

Phrank butchered me in the first game of the tourney when I made several key mistakes, but then lost our semi-final match due to some terrible rolls and the Troll's seeming inability to miss anything, including the Watchers.

I lost to Mark in the finals fair and square, though a more jaded player might say he got some damn lucky rolls, hehe (but then again, Phrank got very unlucky against me the game before, so I had it coming!).

There were plenty of Marut and Chraal bands running around, so it's only fitting that one of each showed up in the top 4! They are both excellent bands.

I have dubbed Mark's great LG band "Flying Circus" due to the high percentage of flying units coupled with the surprising nature of its composition given what conventional wisdom had dismissed. It's amazing how likely "lucky" rolls are when you've got dozens and dozens of attack pumping out because of high survivability. Mithril Mines was also a key to band, since it is very good for denying assault points to your opponent - Mark generally spent the first couple of turns patiently inching forward, killing off opposing assault grabbers, they shutting them out for the rest of the game, while having choice of what to swarm with his fliers. Well done!

Edit: Yes Iabete, I have to admit I was very worried about tie-breakers as well, since my third round opponent went 0-4 and dropped too! It's too bad top 8 didn't make it, instead of only top 4, since there were plenty of great players there that just lost out by a hair. I was very fortunate to squeak through to the finals.


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05/15/2006 6:15 PM  
Sirohk’s Toronto Qualifier Report:

My Warband: NAMED - Kool Kitty

Human Blackguard
x2 Chraal
x2 Zakya Rakshasa
x1 Hobgoblin Warrior
x1 Dire Rat
x1 Timber Wolf

200 points 8 activations

MAP: Dungeon of Blood

Anyone who played against me and can help fill in the names and Maxmin’s ID please feel free to chime in with your thoughts.

FIRST MATCH (vs Sebastian (spelling?))

Opponents WB - HBG, x3 Chraal, x2 TimberWolf, x1 Kobolb Miner. MAP: Fane of Lolth

Lost map initiative and played on Fane of Lolth. Opponent bottled himself up behind Chraals and I could not get to him fast enough in 1 hour time limit. I also took long way around trying to take out his fodder / VP grabbers. On last round I had routed his HBG but he did not leave map. 1 more round and I might have pulled it off. Lost on points 38–20.

Record 0-1

SECOND MATCH (vs Jey)

Opponents WB – x3 Helmed Horror, Duergar Champ, Dark Moon Monk, x2 Timber Wolf, Kobold Miner. MAP: Don’t remember

Won map initiative and most other (& key) initiative’s versus commander-less warband. Played on Dungeon of Blood. Took out fodder and 1 HH and collected VP’s. My commander was based at end, but time ran out. Won on points 85-24.

Record 1-1

THIRD MATCH (vs Lauren)

Opponents WB – Teifling Captain, Orc Wardrummer, Eye of Grummsh, Orc Champ, Ogre Ravager, Xen’ Drik Champion, Troglodyte Thug, Timber Wolf. MAP: Magma Keep

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. Opponent moved too far ahead of rest of force and left main figures all in line for my Chraals breath weapon, which I did with one Chraal. In the mean time I sent 1 Zayka after drummer and based in second round. I sent other Zakya after Tiefling in second round and also based and attacked. Won initiative and knocked drummer down to 5 hp. Drummer ran at full speed and ceased drumming (no more resistance). So my Chraal let loose with its breath weapon doing more damage. Opponents Eye had failed both saves and then was killed outright by 2 critical’s from my Chraal. Killed Tiefling and eventually routed Orc Champ. I did loose my Chraals to make points close, but still had both Zakya’s & HBG left in good health, and opponent had Ogre (hurting) & Xen Drik Champ left. Time ended with me ahead on points 158-108.

Record 2-1

FOURTH MATCH (vs Mark (eventual Qualifier winner))

Opponents WB – Cleric of Order, Couatl, Rikka, x2 Justice Archons, x2 Sacred Watchers, Man at Arms. MAP: Mithril Mines

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. This was one of my funnest, most challenging, and frustrating matches. Rikka was on map at start in center / pit victory area. This forced me to move cautiously (probably too much so) on the first round. But, we both moved up for the confrontation. I ran a Zakya around and True Striked his CoO who subsequently routed off the board (barely). I protected my HBG 2nd round and went after Couatl, missing with True Strike (dang rolling one’s). He moved and my AoO’s at least hit. His 3 hitters (Rikka, JA’s) & SW surrounded my other Zak and took it out with help of Snakes Swiftness from Couatl. Over the next 3 rounds I sent my other Zak and eventually my Chraals at his Couatl to take it out and I proceeded to miss it, even with flanking, over my last 6 rolls and could not kill it (I think it only had 10 hit points left). DRATS! His hitters based my bare HBG (I gambled on taking out his Couatl in hopes that I would win initiative and re-protect my HBG, but missed with terrible rolls, the nature of the game). Game over at 201-66.

Record 2-2

FIFTH MATCH (vs Dan (XenoZepher))

Opponents WB – Human Blackguard, Kobold Sorcerer, x2 Helmed Horrors, Chraal, x3 Kobold Miners. MAP: Kings Road.

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. Another great match as the two of us and our warbands have faced each other a number of times. It basically came down to winning some key initiatives, making some good rolls, killing one of his HH’s, and my Zakya taking out his HBG (and Chraal). A very good game. Points were 166-20.

Record 3-2

SIXTH MATCH (vs Martin (Torazin))

Opponents WB – Cleric of Order, Couatl, Marut, x2 Sacred Watchers, Aramil, Mialee

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. One of my best and worst matches of all time. Play and learn I guess. My opponent was a very good player and I very much enjoyed this match, all except the outcome. Basically, I had eliminated all of of my opponents mini’s except for the Marut. I routed the Couatl, CoO, 1 SW, and killed Mialee, Aramil, Timber Wolf, and the other SW. I had my Wolf, both Chraals, 1 Zakya, and Hobgoblin Warrior left. He was chasing my HBG and I simply twice miscounted his movement that left an opening for his Marut to base my HBG (who at the time had 40 hp left and had already made his MC). I should have blocked it off but did not as I thought he could not reach me and my HBG was protected. Oh well. I then decide to take the AoO and run away. Nope. He rolled a 20, critical on my HBG and game for him. Points at this time 186-166 (it was 166-50 my favor). Win some loose some.

Record 3-3.

I had a great time and met some of the cool Maxmin’s folks (Sulaco, Phrank, other who’s names I cannot remember). Also, thanks to Dueling Grounds for holding the event. It was well organized and well judged.

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05/15/2006 11:48 PM  
Long post, so I posted my report here:
http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20162


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05/16/2006 7:56 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Sirohk

Sirohk’s Toronto Qualifier Report:

My Warband: NAMED - Kool Kitty

Human Blackguard
x2 Chraal
x2 Zakya Rakshasa
x1 Hobgoblin Warrior
x1 Dire Rat
x1 Timber Wolf

200 points 8 activations

MAP: Dungeon of Blood

Anyone who played against me and can help fill in the names and Maxmin’s ID please feel free to chime in with your thoughts.

FIRST MATCH (vs Sebastian (spelling?))

Opponents WB - HBG, x3 Chraal, x2 TimberWolf, x1 Kobolb Miner. MAP: Fane of Lolth

Lost map initiative and played on Fane of Lolth. Opponent bottled himself up behind Chraals and I could not get to him fast enough in 1 hour time limit. I also took long way around trying to take out his fodder / VP grabbers. On last round I had routed his HBG but he did not leave map. 1 more round and I might have pulled it off. Lost on points 38–20.

Record 0-1

SECOND MATCH (vs Jey)

Opponents WB – x3 Helmed Horror, Duergar Champ, Dark Moon Monk, x2 Timber Wolf, Kobold Miner. MAP: Don’t remember

Won map initiative and most other (& key) initiative’s versus commander-less warband. Played on Dungeon of Blood. Took out fodder and 1 HH and collected VP’s. My commander was based at end, but time ran out. Won on points 85-24.

Record 1-1

THIRD MATCH (vs Lauren)

Opponents WB – Teifling Captain, Orc Wardrummer, Eye of Grummsh, Orc Champ, Ogre Ravager, Xen’ Drik Champion, Troglodyte Thug, Timber Wolf. MAP: Magma Keep

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. Opponent moved too far ahead of rest of force and left main figures all in line for my Chraals breath weapon, which I did with one Chraal. In the mean time I sent 1 Zayka after drummer and based in second round. I sent other Zakya after Tiefling in second round and also based and attacked. Won initiative and knocked drummer down to 5 hp. Drummer ran at full speed and ceased drumming (no more resistance). So my Chraal let loose with its breath weapon doing more damage. Opponents Eye had failed both saves and then was killed outright by 2 critical’s from my Chraal. Killed Tiefling and eventually routed Orc Champ. I did loose my Chraals to make points close, but still had both Zakya’s & HBG left in good health, and opponent had Ogre (hurting) & Xen Drik Champ left. Time ended with me ahead on points 158-108.

Record 2-1

FOURTH MATCH (vs Mark (eventual Qualifier winner))

Opponents WB – Cleric of Order, Couatl, Rikka, x2 Justice Archons, x2 Sacred Watchers, Man at Arms. MAP: Mithril Mines

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. This was one of my funnest, most challenging, and frustrating matches. Rikka was on map at start in center / pit victory area. This forced me to move cautiously (probably too much so) on the first round. But, we both moved up for the confrontation. I ran a Zakya around and True Striked his CoO who subsequently routed off the board (barely). I protected my HBG 2nd round and went after Couatl, missing with True Strike (dang rolling one’s). He moved and my AoO’s at least hit. His 3 hitters (Rikka, JA’s) & SW surrounded my other Zak and took it out with help of Snakes Swiftness from Couatl. Over the next 3 rounds I sent my other Zak and eventually my Chraals at his Couatl to take it out and I proceeded to miss it, even with flanking, over my last 6 rolls and could not kill it (I think it only had 10 hit points left). DRATS! His hitters based my bare HBG (I gambled on taking out his Couatl in hopes that I would win initiative and re-protect my HBG, but missed with terrible rolls, the nature of the game). Game over at 201-66.

Record 2-2

FIFTH MATCH (vs Dan (XenoZepher))

Opponents WB – Human Blackguard, Kobold Sorcerer, x2 Helmed Horrors, Chraal, x3 Kobold Miners. MAP: Kings Road.

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. Another great match as the two of us and our warbands have faced each other a number of times. It basically came down to winning some key initiatives, making some good rolls, killing one of his HH’s, and my Zakya taking out his HBG (and Chraal). A very good game. Points were 166-20.

Record 3-2

SIXTH MATCH (vs Martin)

Opponents WB – Cleric of Order, Couatl, Marut, x2 Sacred Watchers, Aramil, Mialee

Won map initiative and played on Dungeon of Blood. One of my best and worst matches of all time. Play and learn I guess. My opponent was a very good player and I very much enjoyed this match, all except the outcome. Basically, I had eliminated all of of my opponents mini’s except for the Marut. I routed the Couatl, CoO, 1 SW, and killed Mialee, Aramil, Timber Wolf, and the other SW. I had my Wolf, both Chraals, 1 Zakya, and Hobgoblin Warrior left. He was chasing my HBG and I simply twice miscounted his movement that left an opening for his Marut to base my HBG (who at the time had 40 hp left and had already made his MC). I should have blocked it off but did not as I thought he could not reach me and my HBG was protected. Oh well. I then decide to take the AoO and run away. Nope. He rolled a 20, critical on my HBG and game for him. Points at this time 186-166 (it was 166-50 my favor). Win some loose some.

Record 3-3.

I had a great time and met some of the cool Maxmin’s folks (Sulaco, Phrank, other who’s names I cannot remember). Also, thanks to Dueling Grounds for holding the event. It was well organized and well judged.

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i'm the sixth oponent, its been a great game. the only chance i have to win its the 20, and it come thru.

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05/16/2006 12:12 PM  

It was great meetimg you Torazin (Martin). And it was a very very good game. Way to pull that 20 out! Cheers to you.

Regards,

Sirohk (Matt)

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05/18/2006 9:36 AM  
Man, now people will take 2x war troll more seriously. There goes my suprise. I wonder how much a difference having Urthok as a commander would make. There are some other commanders out there that would seem to compliment the trolls better. Slide, Slapping Hand, Paralysis... I imagine the +2 attack would help with Maruts also.

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05/18/2006 10:01 AM  
The main reason I took Urthok was because of his cheapness. Taking him instead of either the Naga, HBG, Inspired Lieutenant, etc. allowed me to take a Dark Moon Monk. Without the Monk to MW the Trolls, your odds against Marut bands are much worse.

Of course the +2 attack is great against Marut too, but usually only after you've killed the Standard Bearer.


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05/18/2006 5:06 PM  
After seeing the two-troll warband, I thought that the Rakshasa might be better as you get bigby and all, but also sonic resistance from most Marut/Couatl warbands.

Then, after a few games, I came to the conclusion that you have to choose between activations or magic weapons.

Also, since many marut/couatl will run with a standard bearer, the Rak's commander effect becomes pretty useless :(

If only those trolls costed 66 points.

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05/22/2006 10:01 AM  
every chaotic good warband would have done well in this environment :)

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