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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
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 | | 08/08/2006 10:12 AM |  Alert | Borg vs. Vong - Who wins?
The Borg of course. All Vong technology is biological in nature. A single Borg could assimilate an entire Vong starship. | |
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Ghendar
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| | 08/08/2006 10:21 AM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Monsoon28
So who would win?
Kirk! He'd double-hand smash them all into submission! [:P]
On this point at least, we agree.
Kirk always wins. [:)] | |
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Diomedes
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| | 08/08/2006 10:34 AM | Alert | quote:
And Im not a Star Trek expert..But cant enery shields deflect solid matter? Every time someone talks about how they can adapt their shields to deal with blasters or lazers someone tries to counter it with droid punches or asteroids.
There's frequent discussions of most small asteroids/etc being destroyed on contact with the enterprise's navigational shields. Further, the enterprise repeatedly set up "containment" forcefields around the ship. These are seen to do such things as stop invaders from physically moving (they punch the shield and it zaps them, etc).
So in a word, yes. Could it block something the size of the moon? Ehhh maybe not.
But, there's a reason why they just don't care about blocking most physical projectiles. It's the speed issue that I've been discussing.
Star Trek ships fire phasers from miles away. The Enterprise is seen to fire phasers from long range orbit and strike the surface of a planet on several occasions. They choose these weapons since they have at least some chance of hitting.
I have no idea how "canonical" this is, but I was a big fan of the X-Wing/Tie Fighter Space combat flight simulators from Lucas Arts back in the day. One thing that was fantastically apparent (and lined up perfectly in the movies) was how slow their ships were. Your X-Wing could easily take 5 minutes to fly a few kilometers. Further, in the Star Wars movies, from the perspective of motionless space stations, you can see the fighters zipping around and shooting things. In other words, they are moving at speeds GREATLY slower than the speed of light, probably even sub-sonic speeds. This is /why/ they /can/ be manually piloted.
The "Star Trek Universe" ships move at impulse at near light speeds, especially while fighting. Because of this, computers are needed to handle many of the navigational tasks as they are simply happening too quickly for humans to react to.
So why don't they care about most physical attacks in the Star Trek Universe? There's almost no chance of hitting a ship. A physical projectile fired from several miles away will simply take time to traverse the distance. The time is /more/ than sufficient for ships to maneuver out of the way, especially when aided by a computer, and further, they follows evasive maneuver routines too complex for a single person manning some laser turret to figure out.
I just don't see how the empire, taking their best shot, could even be capable of landing a single blow against a borg cube. Perhaps someone who has the force with them could, but it certainly wouldn't be by using a physical projectile, it would have to be by using a high speed weapon.
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Count Dooku
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| | 08/08/2006 11:03 AM | Alert | Your right about ship speed. Star Trek ships are MUCH faster than Star Wars ships.
Star Trek is thecnologically superior to Star Wars in every way...except one.
Star Wars uses Hyperspace.
Star Trek ships can fly REALLY fast.
Star Wars ships would take a lifetime just to fly to a neighboring star.
Star Wars however has Hyperspace. They can punch a hole in reality and enter a plane where distances are much shorter and they pop back into reality a huge distance away (kinda like using the Plane of Shadow in D&D).
One of the Galaxy's biggest scientific finds in Star Trek was the Stable Wormhole in Deep Space 9.
Star Wars would laugh at that. They create their own "wormholes" and go where ever they want in the galaxy.
The Starship Voyager was so far from Earth that it would take 70-something years to get home.
Star Wars would laugh at that to. There is no "Gamma Quadrant" and "Delta Quadrant" and unexplored regions of the Galaxy that take years to reach.
But does the use of Hyperspace technology really help in a battle?
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Diomedes
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| | 08/08/2006 11:08 AM | Alert | Sorry, to further illustrate my point, I did a google search for "speed of a bullet".
The fastest I found was 1.5k/s for a very high powered rifle.
Let's say Star Wars is tremendously more advanced. Their bullets fire 100 times faster than ours. They shred the sound barrier with each shot.
150,000 m/s WOW!!!
It's New York To LA (396,100m) in 2 and a half seconds!! WOW!
Now, how fast is the speed of light?
300,000,000 m/s
In conclusion, this mega bullet of the future is still standing still by comparison.
Even if the borg were moving at 1/4 the speed of light (as is sometimes stipulated by fans trying to account for time dilation)
75,000,000m/s is still far far faster.
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Diomedes
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| | 08/08/2006 11:12 AM | Alert | quote:
But does the use of Hyperspace technology really help in a battle?
Yeah, that's a good point. I'll grant that as far as moving a fleet around goes, Star Wars would have the advantage. They could zip their whole fleet from location to location and pound them long before a fleet could arrive to fight them.
I'd have to scratch my chin over it and do some reading, I'm not sure I've read about star wars ships jumping to hyperspace as part of a battle field maneuver. Of course, a lot of people have read considerably more about the star wars universe than I have. (scurries off to google).
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MeowPao
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| | 08/08/2006 11:34 AM | Alert | Pardon me guys, but does SW technology allow for Time Travel? I've never read about this happening in SW (forgive me for my ignorace lol!).
In Star Trek, this does seem to happen plenty of times, and the Borg did try to use it in the movies right? So if I were the Borg, I'd travel back in time to Naboo and assimilate all them JarJars...
err... a JarJar Borg? Would the Borg think its worth it? lol! :) A Jarjar in a Borg outfit would really look kinda dumb IMHO haha!
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MeowPao
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| | 08/08/2006 11:38 AM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Diomedes
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But does the use of Hyperspace technology really help in a battle?
Yeah, that's a good point. I'll grant that as far as moving a fleet around goes, Star Wars would have the advantage. They could zip their whole fleet from location to location and pound them long before a fleet could arrive to fight them.
I'd have to scratch my chin over it and do some reading, I'm not sure I've read about star wars ships jumping to hyperspace as part of a battle field maneuver. Of course, a lot of people have read considerably more about the star wars universe than I have. (scurries off to google).
-Diomedes
I read somewhere that Phasers are useless in a Warp Speed battle (since phasers travel at light speed), so that is why they have Photon Torpedoes which can travel as fast as warp speed. I still have to see a scene in ST where they used phasers in while at warp. :)
Beware the phaser lock... heh heh... the computer can lock onto several fighters and knock them all out. Imagine an Ageis system (present Ticonderoga Cruiser) on steroids. | |
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Diomedes
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| | 08/08/2006 12:40 PM | Alert | quote:
Pardon me guys, but does SW technology allow for Time Travel? I've never read about this happening in SW (forgive me for my ignorace lol!).
In Star Trek, this does seem to happen plenty of times, and the Borg did try to use it in the movies right? So if I were the Borg, I'd travel back in time to Naboo and assimilate all them JarJars...
You know, I never did understand why the borg didn't try that a second time.
I think that honestly, 95% of sci-fi time travel ends up with infinite logic loops and feels like a cheap writer's ploy, so I usually ignore it ;p
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err... a JarJar Borg? Would the Borg think its worth it? lol! :) A Jarjar in a Borg outfit would really look kinda dumb IMHO haha!
I sayah resistance is a-futile! haha!
One would hope that the collective would will them to silence and choose a different spokesperson.
Then again, they /are/ a bit evil. (yes yes, open to debate, is a lion evil? etc etc etc)
-Diomedes
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Orion72
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| | 08/08/2006 1:25 PM | Alert | Kirk would win because he CHEATS!
No, Han would win because he SHOOTS FIRST!
Oh, I don't care, as long as someone kills all the Gungans. If the Borg could time travel back and destroy the Gungans before Lucas even dreams them up, they'd have my unwavering support! | | | |
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Ghendar
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| | 08/08/2006 1:29 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Diomedes
So in a word, yes. Could it block something the size of the moon? Ehhh maybe not.
There was one Next Gen episode where a chunk of a star broke off and was flying directly at the Enterprise. They had some kind of damn problem and couldn't just fly out of the way. If it had hit them, boom, Enterprise gone.
So I would say no to the shields being able to deflect anything larger than asteroids and smaller ones at that. | |
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TroglodyteWizard89
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| | 08/08/2006 6:37 PM | Alert | | Of course the Borg would win. Solely for the reason that Star Wars was never so lacking in imagination that they needed a seemingly invicible enemy to increase drama. Star Wars should win, and would against Star Trek if it werent for the Borg. There you have it.[:p] | |
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Monsoon28
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| | 08/09/2006 4:43 AM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Diomedes
Sorry, to further illustrate my point, I did a google search for "speed of a bullet".
The fastest I found was 1.5k/s for a very high powered rifle.
Let's say Star Wars is tremendously more advanced. Their bullets fire 100 times faster than ours. They shred the sound barrier with each shot.
150,000 m/s WOW!!!
It's New York To LA (396,100m) in 2 and a half seconds!! WOW!
Now, how fast is the speed of light?
300,000,000 m/s
In conclusion, this mega bullet of the future is still standing still by comparison.
Even if the borg were moving at 1/4 the speed of light (as is sometimes stipulated by fans trying to account for time dilation)
75,000,000m/s is still far far faster.
Wouldn't this essentially be a 'Railgun'?
And when it comes to Star Trek there are two forms of combat:
1) Warp-Speed combat
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2) Sub-light Combat.
You see it in any episode of ST they fight in Warp speed but the second one of them drops out the aggressors also drop out. Among other reasons manuverability is one of the most likely reasons.
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As for shielding stopping objects there are generally two types of shielding listing/mentioned. Ray/Energy-shielding and Deflector Shielding. The first is a defensive shield against enemy fire, the second is a defence against phsyical dangers or missile/torpedo attacks.
In Star Trek there is always some deflector shielding up when in warp-speed to protect the ship from space matter, but even a pebble could destroy the ship at those speeds.
Borg from what I recall tend to only display energy shielding, since they tend to get all fisticuffs like with people like Data or Worf. I might be remembering incorrectly since I've always hated the Borg and thought they were one of the worst things about Star Trek besides the weekly trips through time they always found themselves in.
Alternate Realities that's the way to go!
Now who's the biggest lady killer?
Kirk, Lando or Evil Spock with Goatee? [}:)] | |
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Monsoon28
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| | 08/09/2006 5:51 AM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Diomedes
I have no idea how "canonical" this is, but I was a big fan of the X-Wing/Tie Fighter Space combat flight simulators from Lucas Arts back in the day. One thing that was fantastically apparent (and lined up perfectly in the movies) was how slow their ships were. Your X-Wing could easily take 5 minutes to fly a few kilometers. Further, in the Star Wars movies, from the perspective of motionless space stations, you can see the fighters zipping around and shooting things. In other words, they are moving at speeds GREATLY slower than the speed of light, probably even sub-sonic speeds. This is /why/ they /can/ be manually piloted.
The "Star Trek Universe" ships move at impulse at near light speeds, especially while fighting. Because of this, computers are needed to handle many of the navigational tasks as they are simply happening too quickly for humans to react to.
Ahhhh I still love those games some of my favourites! Can't wait for Lucasarts to wake up and start giving us new versions of them.
But one thing is the speed of those fighters is not canonical to the Star Wars Universe other then there relative speeds against each other such as Y-Wings being slower then X-Wings and X-Wings being slower then A-Wings.
The top speed of a A-Wing Mk3 fighter is 130 MGLT, 1500 km/h in atmosphere. The Mk1 used at the Battle of Endor had a top speed of 120MGLT and 1300kmh in atmosphere.
Now MGLT has no definitive explanation (but much speculation). All that can be defined is George Lucas' love for aerial dog-fights. So regardless of the speed, the g-force compensators are powerful enough to protect the pilots in high-speed turns or in barrel-rolls. In the novels it is shown that pilots will decrease the compensators from 100% so that they can get some feel on the way the fighter/ship is moving.
So how fast can a Star Wars ship really fly without Warp-Speed? Who knows in one novel they talk about weeks potentially months of travel from the edge of the solar system to it's interior. But in Empire Strikes back we see a disabled Millenium Falcon travel from an astroid field near Hoth to Bespin. Both in entirely different systems.
So what do we really know?
In Star Trek they can go right up to .9 sub-light but probably slower then that in a dog-fight and what about in/around a planet's gravity well?
In Star Wars there is no definitive speed but fighters can top-off at speeds greater than 1000kmh in a planets atmosphere/Gravity Well.
(keeping in mind that these aren't atmospheric fighters and therefore not designed for the stresses of Mach2 or greater speeds. Something like the Tie-Fighter is absolutely gawd-awful in planetary combat.)
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Diomedes
Commander
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| | 08/09/2006 10:21 AM | Alert | quote:
But one thing is the speed of those fighters is not canonical to the Star Wars Universe other then there relative speeds against each other such as Y-Wings being slower then X-Wings and X-Wings being slower then A-Wings.
The top speed of a A-Wing Mk3 fighter is 130 MGLT, 1500 km/h in atmosphere. The Mk1 used at the Battle of Endor had a top speed of 120MGLT and 1300kmh in atmosphere.
Interesting... for the A-Wing, that's still only 417m/s which is still considerably slower than even a bullet.
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Wouldn't this essentially be a 'Railgun'?
Can rail guns go that fast? I'll look it up. I figured you could avoid the internal structural stress via a rail gun, but I wasn't sure about them speeding up that much (interesting side note, I built a rail gun for fun in college, but it could only get a nail to travel about 5 feet ;p)
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2) Sub-light Combat.
You see it in any episode of ST they fight in Warp speed but the second one of them drops out the aggressors also drop out. Among other reasons maneuverability is one of the most likely reasons.
Well now here's the deal... I am of the personal opinion, that as the Star Trek series progresses, the ships get slower and slower in combat to be more like Star Wars. Why? In older Star Trek episodes... and ESPECIALLY older TNG, there's a certain real alienation between the combatants and the combat. People wrote poems and romanticized the loss of swords for guns in warfare as the entire fight became somehow "less personal". Now a person without skill can shoot the best skilled person from a great distance. With Star Trek, I feel like this idea is carried even further... now you don't even have the skill to aim a gun, you just tell a computer which target to hit and then say "fire".
With this kind of alienation, the "hero of the battlefield" is now the smart guy who can strategize and out think his opponent. Picard is the perfect example of this. If you ask me, when picard is around, they fight at significant fractions of the speed of light.
Now, what's fun about Star Wars and not about Star Trek? Star Wars bloody followed the /exact/ hero story archetype. Heck, they consulted Joseph Cambell (hero of a 1000 faces) when filming the original movie. There's a basic archetypal myth that appears in virtually every culture and is ingrained in us. It involves a guy who gets personally involved in the conflict. That's Luke. He jumps in, he mixes it up, and triumphs through his strength and skill. People like that, heck, I like it.
I believe that over the years, the people liking a hero has slowly been turning star trek into more of a competition of /people/, more personal. I watched some DS:9 episode where there were indeed fighters being piloted (seemingly by hand). It's just cooler when a pilot uses their own reflexes to gun down the other ship rather than saying "Man, he sure had better software on his fighter ship".
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Borg from what I recall tend to only display energy shielding, since they tend to get all fisticuffs like with people like Data or Worf.
I think this is for the exact sme reason I started above. People want to see Data and Warf punch things. Heck, I wish the batleth would come out more... But seriously, you would think that the borg would have physical shields and deploy them, wouldn't you?
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MeowPao
Skirmisher
47 Posts
| | 08/09/2006 12:58 PM | Alert | quote:
Originally posted by Diomedes
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Borg from what I recall tend to only display energy shielding, since they tend to get all fisticuffs like with people like Data or Worf.
I think this is for the exact same reason I started above. People want to see Data and Warf punch things. Heck, I wish the batleth would come out more... But seriously, you would think that the borg would have physical shields and deploy them, wouldn't you?
The Borg can adapt to anything except being punched around lol! Can't they adapt to Karate Chop or Kungfu kicks? Can't they like grow armor and all that? hahaha! But wait... I haven't seen a serious hand to hand combat in Star Wars that does not involve weapons or light sabers! The ones are recall were the Ewoks clubbing people, Chewbacca hulking up, and sand people knocking the daylights out of Luke (of which they never actually showed how they beat up Luke hehe!) Karate Chop using the Force, anyone? :) | |
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Nightboomfer
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| | 08/11/2006 12:18 PM | Alert | I suppose if Vader, Luke, Sidious, and Yoda combined their powers (depending on the timeline.) they could amass enough force energy to at least hold back a borg invasion for a while. Come to think of it, the Borg would need to develop even more advanced time travel just to visit the star wars universe. Consider that in Star Trek, yes, time travel exists, but how far back exactly have they traveled? (ice age, medieval times, probably even prehistoric) Star Wars took place much further back than that. All of the technology featured in Star wars is the technology featured in the galaxy's distant past. If you were to look at the Star Wars universe as time had passed, in the distant future either A) All life would have died out due to natural entropy. B)Their technology would have advanced even further than during the time of the empire, or C)Maybe the vong took over?
In the case of C, Borg win, yay. In the case of A, they would have no need to assimilate a few stragglers on dead husks. In the case of B, there are several possible outcomes. Either the SW tech would become so advanced they could beat the vong with no problem, or the fusion of technology and biology would have become so integrated (Jacen's Vongsaber, General Grievous) that perhaps the star wars universe itself becomes ancestor to the Borg. | |
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| | 08/11/2006 2:51 PM | Alert | | I would go with star wars! | |
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Gnolaum
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854 Posts
| | 08/18/2006 8:03 AM | Alert | The only time I ever heard of lasers in Star Trek was that they
couldn't even penetrate the navigational shields. Not sure if
that is due to the technology, or the power level, but I think it safe
to say that Star Trek is much higher on the technology level. The
Borg seem to be at the top of the food chain, and would wipe the floor
with Star Wars until they sent out their secret weapon:
JAR JAR BINKS
Borg 1 of 2: You wanna assimilate that?
Borg 2 of 2: No thanks!
Borg All: Run Away!
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Monsoon28
Underboss
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Toronto
| | 08/18/2006 9:38 AM | Alert | [QUOTE]Gnolaum wrote
The only time I ever heard of lasers in Star Trek was that they
couldn't even penetrate the navigational shields. Not sure if
that is due to the technology, or the power level, but I think it safe
to say that Star Trek is much higher on the technology level.
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Not really true about the superiority of tech.
Both series seem to have technologies that are above and beyond the other.
Star Trek has transporter and bio-regeneration (therefore little need for cybernetics) technology for example, while Star Wars has A.I. (Star Trek touches this once in a while, for example Data and the M-5 computer in TOS.) and 'Hyper-space' travel.
Also as mentioned, Star Trek is a story of the future where as Star Wars is a story of the past. | |
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Monsoon28
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Toronto
| | 08/18/2006 9:57 AM | Alert | Actually I just had a thought, here we are talking about the power of the Borg.
Things is I get the impression that Lando's Aide Lobot was more advanced then any 'borg' and all he had was a brain attachment.
Of course I may be the only one who feels that way... | |
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Monsoon28
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| | 08/18/2006 9:57 AM | Alert | | arggg, double post! | |
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In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 03/26/2008 9:08 AM | Alert | | Return of the GEEKIEST topic ever on Maxminis. | |
The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
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Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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Teflon Jeff
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Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 03/26/2008 10:45 AM | Alert | Looks like Ghendar's Threadamancy is strong.
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Should we compare the new Star Wars movies to the newest Star Trek movie coming out?
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Wraithborne
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West Virginia
| | 03/26/2008 12:12 PM | Alert | | Yikes.....That's pretty much all I have to say. | |
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It's totally bonzer!!!!!
Ravage the land as never before,
Total destruction from mountain to shore!!!! | |
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| | 03/26/2008 12:17 PM | Alert | | how about new dr who daleks vs borg? | |
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Faragdar the Wise
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| | 03/26/2008 12:19 PM | Alert | | Good God, Ghendar. Resurrecting this was just evil. But as long as it's back, we should insert into the discussion Cylons, Vorlons, Dalek, Spaceballs, Aliens and Predators and whatever else anyone can think of. | |
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Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 03/26/2008 12:41 PM | Alert | Kree and Skrulls.
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Wraithborne
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West Virginia
| | 03/26/2008 8:28 PM | Alert | | Skeksis and Gelflings. | |
4dv3ntur3
It's totally bonzer!!!!!
Ravage the land as never before,
Total destruction from mountain to shore!!!! | |
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| | 03/26/2008 10:50 PM | Alert | Hmmm.... I still go with Death Star beats Borg Cube.
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Pedro
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Czech Republic
| | 03/27/2008 4:37 AM | Alert | | I say Evil Yoda and Palpy beat the hell out of the Borgs any moment. | |
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Ghendar
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In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 03/27/2008 5:21 AM | Alert | Posted By Cthulhufnord on 03/26/2008 10:50 PM
Hmmm.... I still go with Death Star beats Borg Cube.
And you'd be wrong. | |
The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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greyhaze
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| | 03/27/2008 7:40 AM | Alert | | Doesn't Ion damage just win vs borgs? How can they adapt if they've been shut down? Actually, how can they adapt energy to counter something that disrupts electronics by its very nature? I think ion damage wins. | |
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Ghendar
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In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 03/27/2008 8:46 AM | Alert | There's one, count it, one Death Star. There are potentially thousands of Borg vessels. (maybe more) Borg vessels vastly outnumber Empire ships. They may indeed destroy hundreds of cubes but guess what, the Borg have more and much like the Terminator, they don't stop until you are dead. Or in this case assimilated.
Were talking a relentless war of atrition that the Empire cannot win. | |
The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29 | |
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Teflon Jeff
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Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 03/27/2008 9:02 AM | Alert | Except with Ion Damage. Besides, EMP totally own Borg.
Although the Death Star is a lot less useful, as there is no Borg "homeworld" to obliterate. Bazookas don't kill mice very well, you need a mousetrap.
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Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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greyhaze
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| | 03/27/2008 10:38 AM | Alert | I was under the impression, that the death star was hyperspace capable... you know it moving after alderaan then going to rebel base on yavin. So, couldn't the deathstar blast isolated cubes, move then blast away. I would think that droid assembly lines would outpace assimilation, assimilation MUST be slower than pumping out droids on large scales (simply because assimilation requires invasion, combat and capture). And once a race is assimilated, it stops breeding, so whatever borgs are made that's all they have until they take another planet.
The force is also all powerful, which is pretty much all powerful, yoda or sideous could just control the "hive mind" and rewrite their directives - these are not the assimilants you want.
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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
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Ghendar
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In the constellation of Cygnus, or Central Connecticut
| | 03/27/2008 10:57 AM | Alert | Posted By greyhaze on 03/27/2008 10:38 AM
And Han Solo kicks Kirks ass.
You're a bloody heretic. Only one who has even a remote chance of kicking Kirk's ass is Chuck Norris and even that would be close. 
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The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the |
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