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03/06/2008 12:00 PM Alert 
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03/06/2008 1:43 PMAlert 
This has got to be the most servile, pandering review of any game product I've ever seen. Hell, I've read reviews by company employees that weren't this glowing, sunshine-out-of-the-butt cheerful. Anyone that I've conversed with on here knows I'm not happy about the changes to the game - but even if I was, this review would have me sceptical. Unless WotC has managed to do the impossible (release a game system with no flaws/bugs) then the reviewer has not IMHO, done his job.

The whole thing screamed "Yeah, there are things that tick ppl off - but look at all this uber-cool stuff ye can do now". The idea that it's stupid that the wizard can blow through his whole repetoire in a short while stuns me. Planning/strategy be damned?

The only realistic part was when he admitted that the Epic levels are pretty silly. If I ever were to play in a game where an ability was remotely like "Once per day, when you die..." then I'd feel compelled to give my dice away, sell my minis and take up another hobby.

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03/06/2008 5:13 PMAlert 
so he likes the changes! i like some of them as well.

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03/06/2008 6:33 PMAlert 
Posted By wicked cool on 03/06/2008 5:13 PM
so he likes the changes! i like some of them as well.
Like them? Sounds like he wants to marry them. LOL!


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03/07/2008 1:07 AMAlert 
He likes it. That's for sure.

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03/07/2008 6:53 AMAlert 
Oh, massawyrn, yeh already read this "sunshine and lollipops" review... I am skeptical about this "reviewer" to say the least.


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03/07/2008 9:08 AMAlert 
I've talked many times here in Austin with Cargill (Massawyrm), and he does indeed seem to be quite taken with 4th Edition. Then again, he was quite disaffected with 3.5. That may be the deal: if you don't like 3.5, you may love 4.0. Also, he strikes me as the person that is always looking for the Next Big Thing. For WotC's sake, I hope there are enough people like him to make up for all the 3.5 product they won't be producing.

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03/07/2008 9:58 AMAlert 
Posted By Shottglazz on 03/06/2008 1:43 PM

The only realistic part was when he admitted that the Epic levels are pretty silly. If I ever were to play in a game where an ability was remotely like "Once per day, when you die..." then I'd feel compelled to give my dice away, sell my minis and take up another hobby.

If the new rules for epic levels works well I'm all for it no matter how silly.  I played a 3.5 campaign for a year and half.  Our party of four made it to level 22, but from there it just fell apart because the 3.5 Epic rules are, how should I say... pure Crap!

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03/07/2008 11:06 AMAlert 
What happens when you reach level 40 in 4e? It'll probably fall apart as well... 3.5 just wasn't designed with 20+ levels in mind (even though there is material for it).


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03/07/2008 12:32 PMAlert 
Posted By greyhaze on 03/07/2008 11:06 AM
What happens when you reach level 40 in 4e? It'll probably fall apart as well... 3.5 just wasn't designed with 20+ levels in mind (even though there is material for it).

Thats a good question.  Hopefully thats not the case.

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03/26/2008 3:39 AMAlert 
Well, a glowing review from a WOTC PLAYTESTER.
After playing this game he sold most of his 3.5 books... yeah right! Like I believe that.


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03/26/2008 4:38 AMAlert 
I'll never understand this fawning affection that some people have towards any company. Even when I was a heavy WotC supporter and was buyng books every month and three cases og minis every release, I never had this kind of "drink the Koolaid" attitude towards WotC and its products.

The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.


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03/26/2008 8:48 AMAlert 
Blind faith in anything is a bda idea. Skepticism should always be applied.

The difference here are the conclusions we've deduced.

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03/26/2008 3:25 PMAlert 
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/26/2008 8:48 AM
Blind faith in anything is a bda idea. Skepticism should always be applied.

The difference here are the conclusions we've deduced.
Blind faith in skepticism...

Wait, that's probably a bad idea too.

Hey, did you know that every time you buy a 4e book you'll be handed a bag of gold?

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03/26/2008 3:38 PMAlert 
This is not the outrageous rumor thread.

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03/26/2008 5:45 PMAlert 
Posted By Vrecknidj on 03/26/2008 3:25 PM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 03/26/2008 8:48 AM
Blind faith in anything is a bda idea. Skepticism should always be applied.

The difference here are the conclusions we've deduced.
Blind faith in skepticism...

Wait, that's probably a bad idea too.

Hey, did you know that every time you buy a 4e book you'll be handed a bag of metal slugs with the Fool's Gold spell cast on them?

Dave

Fixed that for ya.


The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.


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How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29

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03/26/2008 11:45 PMAlert 
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03/30/2008 12:35 PMAlert 
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03/31/2008 8:15 AMAlert 
Angry muffins laugh?

The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner and RPG designer from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute and RPGA certified DM named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark and THAC0. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons, D&D every night. In the spring we'd make meat helmets for LARP. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag, forced to walk the walk of a thousand four siders, and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe, which was very handy for D&D. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles for LARP. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.


Spreading the love of the Digitus Impudicus
Champion of the Spider Eater with rider.
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
How many times in life do you get to eat your own Ctulhu? - Posted By Pedro on 03/31/2008 2:29
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03/31/2008 10:15 AMAlert 
angrily, they do.

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