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08/15/2008 1:02 AM  
Has someone already taken a look to the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide? If so what do you think of it? Are special characters of Toril fully described inside like Drizzt, Elmisnter, Bruenor, Wulfgar, ...?





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08/15/2008 5:04 AM  
I too would be very interested in it and to see what is left of the Realms after the spell plague. :(

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08/15/2008 8:05 AM  
ill also ask. i'm very curious on how the new world will look

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08/15/2008 8:07 AM  
The Spell Plague sound a lot like the Eberron Day of Mourning and the Mournland. Seems that Eberron is seeping into all D&D facets.

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08/15/2008 9:40 AM  
I'm mostly interested in the quality of the printing. Does the ink smear/smudge without any provocation (much like the core books)?

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08/15/2008 10:37 AM  
Yes, info please!!

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08/15/2008 12:14 PM  
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08/15/2008 12:37 PM  
My set is in the mail, I will post as soon as it arrives...

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08/15/2008 3:35 PM  
Hey! I thought I was the one who ignored about it. When is it supposed to be released? By the way, any moderator can change in the subject the word Ay by Any?

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08/15/2008 4:53 PM  
I am curious if this will be the first preview of the barbarians....if Wulfgar is in it then that will be useful.

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08/16/2008 2:12 AM  
Maybe. It seems this class will appear in PH II, however.

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08/17/2008 2:47 AM  
There are no stat-blocks for Drizzt and Elminster. Bruenor and Wulfgar shouldn't be alive anymore, anyway. After all, 4e takes the Forgotten Realms 100 years into the future.
Elminster is described as an old man that is slightly insane.

Stats-blocks only exists for potential opponents. Jarlaxle is CR 21, while the highest is Shaz Tham (sp?) at CR 30, iirc.

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08/18/2008 10:22 AM  
Bruenor could still be alive...

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08/19/2008 6:55 AM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/18/2008 10:22 AM
Bruenor could still be alive...


Yes! Dwarves have a lifespan of 250-400 years depending on the campaign.

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08/19/2008 7:24 AM  
SPOILER here:



























Taken from:
link text
Here what we get on
Deities of 4e Realms:

Greater Gods:

Amaunator: Sun
Asmodeus: Sin
Bane: Tyranny
Chauntea: Life
Corellon: Fey
Cyric: Strife
Ghaunadaur: Abominations
Gruumsh: Savagery
Kelemvor: Death
Lolth: Drow
Moradin: Dwarves
Ohgma: Knowledge
Selune: Moon
Shar: Shadows
Silvanus: Nature
Sune: Beauty
Tempus: War
Torm: Law

Gods: Serve the greaters

Angharraadh: Wisdom
Auril: Winter
Bahamut: Justice
Berronar Truesilver: Family
Beshaba: Bad Luck
Garl Glittergold: Protection
Gond: Craft
Ilmater: Suffering
Loviatar: Pain
Luthnic: Caves
Meilikki: Forrests
Sheela Peryroyl: Beauty
Sseth: Serpents
Talona: Plague
Tiamat: Greed
Tymora: Good luck
Umberlee: Sea
Waukeen: Merchants
Zehir: Poison

Exarchs/ Demigods: Ascended mortals mainly, some have mortal worshippers

Abbathor
Arvoreen
Baervan Wildwanderer
Bahgtru
Baravar Cloakshadow
Berronar
Brandobaris
Callarduran Smoothhands
Clangeddon Silverbeard
Cyrrollalee
Deep Seshalas
Dugmaren Brightmantle
Erevan Ilesere
Fenmarel Mestarline
Fzoul Chembryl: Sevice to Evil
Garagos
Hoar
Hruggek
Jergal: Fatalism
Labelas Enoreth
Lliira
Maglubiyet
Malar
Marthammor Duin
Milil
Obould: Warriors
The Red Knight: Tactics
Sharess
Shargaas
Shevarash
Shiallia
Siamorphe
Solonar Thelandrira
Thard Harr
Uthgar
Valkur
Vaprak
Vergadain

Primordials:

Akadi
Bazim-Gorag
Grumbar
Istishia
Kossuth
Seven Lost Gods. (Includes Dendar, Kezef, and Borem of the Boiling Mud)

Archdevils: One for each of the nine

Baalzebul
Bel
Belial
Dispater
Glasya
Levistus
Mammon
Mephistopheles











What leads me to the following question:

Where is Eillistraee, the Dark Maiden?

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08/19/2008 9:38 AM  
Very interesting that they left out a Drizzt stat block. You would think he was be a major selling point for the fan boys!

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08/19/2008 11:28 AM  
Hmm, interstinger and interestinger.

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08/20/2008 5:15 AM  
Answer to Mjollnir's question about Eilistraee
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She's Dead. She died in the last book of the Lady Penitent series.

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08/20/2008 7:24 AM  
As an anti-4e guy, I'm torn. However, I'm a fan of FR so naturally I'm interested in seeing what the "new" realms look likes.

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08/20/2008 7:52 AM  
Posted By Wraithborne on 08/20/2008 5:15 AM
Answer to Mjollnir's question about Eilistraee
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She's Dead. She died in the last book of the Lady Penitent series.


How?

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08/20/2008 10:27 AM  
Ditto!
I like that the gods are a lesser list now. I'm interested to read this.

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08/20/2008 11:30 AM  
Man, now I have to read that series too...

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08/20/2008 1:58 PM  
Posted By Mjollnir on 08/20/2008 7:52 AM
Posted By Wraithborne on 08/20/2008 5:15 AM
Answer to Mjollnir's question about Eilistraee
SPOILER


















She's Dead. She died in the last book of the Lady Penitent series.


How?

SPOILER





























Long story short, she came to the realms in her physical form and was slain by one of her own artifacts wielded by a former priestess of hers who had been redeemed from being a priestess of Lolth and then became a tormented creature of Lolth's after attempting to kill her.

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08/20/2008 2:48 PM  
Awww the book is ruined!
Actually I do own it and haven't read it yet, but spoilers don't bother me. I love them!

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08/21/2008 7:55 AM  
Wow, Wraithborne is quoting Thundarr! That's awesome! I loved that show, lol
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08/21/2008 10:35 AM  
WB, is it a followup from the war of the Spider queen, that one chick?

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08/21/2008 7:13 PM  
Bruenor, Wulfgar, and Obould Many Arrows are all dead according to what I read in the first few pages (didn't actually say anything about Wulfgar but I am assuming if the other two are gone so is he). But it doesn't say how any of them died which leads me to believe one of Salvatore's novels might reveal this story soon? Just a thought.

I must admit that the setting seems quite interesting now with 100 years having passed and towns and cities now appearing as small points of light in a world full of darkness and danger. I think things are changing for the better and keeping the game world from getting stagnant (and this was not my opinion early on with this 4th edition change!). After playing a few sessions of 4th edition as a DM I must say gaming will be a lot less stressful and I can see the pace of combat actually picking up eventually (after the rules are better known).

In summary I am becoming more optimistic about the changes, and I was once a pessamist. I am warming to the whole 4th edition change.

Oh and one last note the DM screen is a thing of beauty! Not only the art but the hardcover material and laminate covering make it very sturdy. I even think you might be able to use markers that erase (dry or wet?) and be able to easily wipe it clean (although I hesitate to try this in case I am wrong!).

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08/22/2008 1:53 PM  
Tirwin, I'm definitely gonna get a copy now...

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08/22/2008 2:32 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/21/2008 10:35 AM
WB, is it a followup from the war of the Spider queen, that one chick?
Sounds like it.


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08/23/2008 4:11 PM  
Wait, Obould is a god now? He's on the list.

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08/24/2008 5:20 AM  
now i almost want to go get the book now or when it comes out

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08/24/2008 9:18 AM  

Just finished reading my copy.   Overall its useful for DM's wondering what's changed and people looking for fluff about the realms but players and new DM's can completely avoid it.  Theres a few rituals and items, but nothing a player can actually use as they are used by the high level NPC's.   Even new player options like Spellscars just say to refer to the upcoming players guide instead.  The book probably could of been more accuratly been called "A quick overview of the changes to the realms"  as its not anywhere near a campaign guide.  There's not enough material for a new realms DM to run much of anything besides the intro adventure in the beginning.  Existing DM's who have other realms material will be better off as they can draw on the extensive supply of existing stuff.    

I liked the old realms and I think I will like the new realms just as much.  Unfortunatly this book I don't like.   Not enough meat in it for anyone as far as I can tell.  It really feels like you're paying 40$ or so just to see what's been randomly changed by WotC.   It's a really expensive patch rather than a useful sourcebook.


 


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08/24/2008 2:08 PM  
I would agree that it is more useful for DMs than players as most of the book is backstory for developing the new world order.  As a DM it will be very helpful for storytelling but player will be much more apt to want the Players Guide coming out next month for FRs.

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08/25/2008 11:17 AM  
Posted By bshugg on 08/24/2008 9:18 AM

Even new player options like Spellscars just say to refer to the upcoming players guide instead.  The book probably could of been more accuratly been called "A quick overview of the changes to the realms"  as its not anywhere near a campaign guide.Â

The bolded part really irks me.  They did the same thing in Secrets of Xen'drik with the Umbragen, but said to refer to a Dragon Magazine article.  If you're going to mention it in a book, then tell the whole story (or at least enough to satisfy!).  I pretty much agree with your second sentence when I thumbed through it at the FLGS.

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08/25/2008 12:21 PM  
A storyline update to the realms.

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Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/21/2008 10:35 AM
WB, is it a followup from the war of the Spider queen, that one chick?


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Posted By Wraithborne on 08/25/2008 3:19 PM
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/21/2008 10:35 AM
WB, is it a followup from the war of the Spider queen, that one chick?


Indeed it is.


Nice, now I may have to pick that up.

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09/04/2008 3:02 PM  
what happened to tyr? man the book sounds like it sucks

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09/04/2008 3:14 PM  
Posted By yack on 08/20/2008 10:27 AM
Ditto!
I like that the gods are a lesser list now. I'm interested to read this.

The Only problem with this is that pretty much all of the gods I liked are gone now! Most of the remaining gods I could care less about.

I suppose that means if I ever get around to playing in the 'NEW' FR, all my characters will either follow Silvanus or Mask, and at least Clangeddon is still around.





Oh, wait, even Mask is gone, what evil god am I to follow now?!

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09/04/2008 5:15 PM  

Just finished my second read through of the book and I'm liking it even less.  Each region isn't detailed enough to do much of anything beyond use the basic plot hooks from that area.  The plot hooks are just small blurbs that you could make up on your own in seconds.   The rest of the sections just isn't really good.  The foes are ok I guess, but that's about it.

  I just read about how they want to make most of the past events over the 100 years a mystery.   Maybe that's why the book is so vague.  Still its maddening to not know what has happened to so many people and areas.   Even things that are clearly changed don't really give any details on how or what the changes are.  Uugh! 


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